When is my rep tarnished?

[Rosicrucian]

Is it only when I attack while in a right of passage agreement, and when I make peace with someone I have an alliance against?

If I just go around declaring war on people is my rep tarnished?

Can you please list the situations?

Thx

 

[Psychlone]

If you enter into a miltary alliance and then declare peace, your ally will become annoyed or worse. I'm not sure if there is an effect upon other civs not directly involved.

If you sign a peace treaty then attack again, you get a black eye. Recently, I knocked Germany to just a couple of cities, then signed peace, getting their cash and the one tech they had that I didn't. Next turn Berlin culture flipped on me, so I restarted the war and retook it, then finished the Germans off (I wanted to KEEP Berlin). A few turns later in the game while trying to negotiate a luxury trade with England (who I had been friendly with throughout the game), they wouldn't take any cash per turn deal, only cash up front. I got told "How can we know you'll not do to England what you did to Germany?"

 

[BCLG100]

yes there is if you go into a war with another civ against one civ and then back out e.g. sign a peace treaty then everybody else looks down on that

also you get a black mark on your reputation nearly everytime you declare war

 

[Zouave]

You also get black marks by doing NOTHING. I have been repeatedly blamed for stuff I never did. I was blamed for a war when I was the one who was attacked.

 

[BCLG100]

yeh that has happened to me and i was on this island at war with the aztecs who declared war on me i destroyed them then about a few thousand years later i me the english on another continent and i asked them to do a deal and they said they couldnt because of the way i had treated or been at war or summin with the aztecs

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by BCLG100
also you get a black mark on your reputation nearly everytime you declare war

It is not a dishonor to declare war. It is only a dishonor to promise one thing then do another. Declare war before attacking.

The safest way to declare war is through the diplomacy screen. Be sure to fulfill any other obligations you have first, then cancel the peace treaty. When in an alliance, be sure to cancel the alliance before making peace.

 

[Evincar]

The greatest rep hit is given for free in 4000 BC, when the AI discovers you are not part of the United Team

Zouave is right this time (only this ). The AI blames you for stuff you that has nothing to do with your behavour, such as having someone else trade rutes disrupted

 

[murewa]

Hehe... the surefire way to tarnish your rep is to start a nuclear weapons test on enemy territory.

Just listen to their ooohs and aaahs followed by grrrrs of furious rage. Then grin a bit, sit back, hit the 'B' button, and see furious enemy's capital city go boom! Shake world shake

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by murewa
Hehe... the surefire way to tarnish your rep is to start a nuclear weapons test on enemy territory.

Just listen to their ooohs and aaahs followed by grrrrs of furious rage. Then grin a bit, sit back, hit the 'B' button, and see furious enemy's capital city go boom! Shake world shake

Yup. That'll do it.

 

[Maple]

Originally posted by murewa
Hehe... the surefire way to tarnish your rep is to start a nuclear weapons test on enemy territory.

Just listen to their ooohs and aaahs followed by grrrrs of furious rage. Then grin a bit, sit back, hit the 'B' button, and see furious enemy's capital city go boom! Shake world shake

I was thinking ROP rape... but that will do it too

 

[sabo]

Originally posted by murewa
Hehe... the surefire way to tarnish your rep is to start a nuclear weapons test on enemy territory.

err.... Murewa you're scaring me

 

[MirandaCore]

I get along just fine with the AI... Of course there is no more AI to get along with, but I get along just fine with the AI. :>

 

[MirandaCore]

(How do u do that evil laughter thing in a reply?)

 

[T-hawk]

In general, any time you have a commitment active on the "We Give" side of the box, that terminates because you declared war, that's a tarnished reputation. This includes all active trade deals, RoPs, alliances, MPPs, and Peace Treaties with time remaining. Note that if you are MPPed with Civ A, and Civ B attacks Civ A triggering the MPP, it's YOU declaring war on Civ B and you take the reputation hit.

Whether or not you broke a deal, attacking ANYTHING on the SAME TURN that you declare war is a dishonorable sneak attack. This is the bit that trips up most people. It doesn't matter if you declare before attacking - in a turn-based game, it doesn't matter when during the turn you declare.

The only honorable way to declare war is to declare it in diplomacy, and DO NOT ATTACK YET - the other civ must have the first move. Once a turn passes, THEN you can attack without it being considered a sneak attack or a black mark on your reputation.

If the OTHER civ is the one that makes the actual declaration of war, anything goes and you get no reputation hit.

 

[murewa]

Originally posted by T-hawk
The only honorable way to declare war is to declare it in diplomacy, and DO NOT ATTACK YET - the other civ must have the first move. Once a turn passes, THEN you can attack without it being considered a sneak attack or a black mark on your reputation.

have you proven this? is this true T-hawk? i wouldn't want to waste the first strike opportunity if it was for nothing.:mutant:

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by T-hawk
The only honorable way to declare war is to declare it in diplomacy, and DO NOT ATTACK YET -

I haven't actually conducted a test of this, but in my experience, it isn't necessary to wait a turn. Perhaps, you just shouldn't be on their territory when you declare.

 

[Evincar]

Originally posted by Zachriel
I haven't actually conducted a test of this, but in my experience, it isn't necessary to wait a turn. Perhaps, you just shouldn't be on their territory when you declare.

Hey man, that's certainly not sure for the AI!! I'd say they always attack you the very same turn they declare war! in fact they are usually in your territory when this happens

 

[T-hawk]

Originally posted by Evincar


Hey man, that's certainly not sure for the AI!! I'd say they always attack you the very same turn they declare war! in fact they are usually in your territory when this happens

Sure it's true for them -- they get a reputation hit when that happens. That's where all the "Hammurabi is a known liar and a cheat" messages on the diplomacy screen come from.

I'm still not totally sure about it, but in my last five or so games I've scrupulously adhered to the rule of don't attack on a turn where you declare war, and I've carried a spotless reputation through every one.

 

[Gastric ReFlux]

Interesting. So does this mean that after I finish the Americans, I should give Monte a full turn grace period so he can enjoy, a little longer, being the second most poweful civ in the world?

 

[Catt]

Originally posted by T-hawk
Whether or not you broke a deal, attacking ANYTHING on the SAME TURN that you declare war is a dishonorable sneak attack. This is the bit that trips up most people. It doesn't matter if you declare before attacking - in a turn-based game, it doesn't matter when during the turn you declare.

The only honorable way to declare war is to declare it in diplomacy, and DO NOT ATTACK YET - the other civ must have the first move. Once a turn passes, THEN you can attack without it being considered a sneak attack or a black mark on your reputation.

Have you confimed this in some way? I tend to declare war and then attack on the same turn, and I don't seem to suffer from the reputation hit becuase of it. I am, however, very careful to be certain that I do not have any units of any kind in enemy territory, nor any active deals / treaties with the enemy when the declaration is given.