Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Vahnstad, May 7, 2020.
Two options. Sorry if i forgot someone, could be esp. the case in early American history.
I think Teddy was an excellent choice. He really has personality. It's sad he likely won't return. If slavery was added, Lincoln would be a solid pick. If there was more emphasis on policies and ideology and we keep emergencies, we could see FDR return. Otherwise, i would go for the classic Washington pick or Eisenhower. Everyone from JFK on is too recent, and politics is too polarized for a recent leader. While I would love Obama as a pick, it would be a stupid pick for those reasons (same applies to JFK and Reagan).
I think America is fine as it is: straightforward and late game emphasis.
I'd like to pick somebody new so Thomas Jefferson would be my first pick. Bring back the ability to purchase tiles from other Civs and make his cheaper a.k.a. the Louisiana Purchase ability. He's also the only president on Mt. Rushmore to not be a leader yet.
Eisenhower (advanced roads/interstate highway system) or JFK ( Space Race bonuses) would be interesting possibilities too.
If were talking about Civ7..
America has one King, and he want you to increase the luxury rate. I like imaginary/legendary/crazy options for leaders to start the game and later moving to historical leader that fit how your civ is developing.
George Washington. would like to see leader be associated with game events and he is acclimated with a big one. If you establish modern democracy you switch to TFOC and get abilities that enhance that government. Like @Alexander's Hetaroi suggested if you have democracy and perform a culture bomb you can get TJ...
I don't know much about American presidents, but maybe it's time for Abraham Lincoln to return? He is quite iconic in the history of the United States, and the last time I saw him in a civ game was on Civ4, long time ago.
Jefferson completes the Mount Rushmore set and wold work best. the US, if included, should always feel like an expansionistic civ with strong diplomatic undertones, and he's the best choice for that (out of the presidents which haven't yet had the pleasure of used in Civilization)
I'd like to see Dwight Eisenhower. He seems very recognizable of a distinctive "era" in America that many people like to refer to fondly (mostly), the 1950s
John Adams, the only Founding Father to not have a slave (he called slavery immoral), and Abraham Lincoln, who patiently and ably commanded the nation in one of its greatest crises. Neither is above reproach, but they are less reproachable than some others. I don't mind Teddy Roosevelt either, though he has some er...bloodthirst issues.
Thomas Jefferson, while a popular choice among the American public (I suspect), is arguably one of the worst choices, as he fathered a child with a slave, as DNA evidence shows, and had dreadful economic policies (thank God for Alexander Hamilton in this regard, who had much more positive impact on the American economy).
George Washington is also questionable in my eyes as he was a slave-owner who had a troubling habit of torching Native American villages (this is touched on in Assassin's Creed III).
Ronald Regan and Andrew Jackson.
The first had many polices and helped America through a tough time while the second would have some awesome dialogue and personality. Also, Jackson gets pushed to the back burner a lot bc of his dealing with natives. However, he'd be really fun as AI and also interesting to play as.
Regan would be a well-rounded leader for basicly every form of victory.
My vote for an American civ leader, would be Charles Lindbergh. That would obviously be controversial, but would be a great contrast with the policies of Teddy Roosevelt featured in Civ VI.
If you wanted someone who actually held office, I would go with President Coolidge, Senator Taft (as opposed to his father President Taft), William McKinley, Senator Barry Goldwater or even Generals Douglas MacArthur or Dwight Eisenhower.
To balance things out, I would also include an alternate American leader to contrast with the main leader.
Teddy Roosevelt / William McKinley (they may have been President / VP together, but represented very different political viewpoints)
Douglas MacArthur / Franklin D. Roosevelt
Senator Robert Taft / President Harry S. Truman
Barry M. Goldwater / John F. Kennedy
Charles Lindbergh / Franklin D. Roosevelt
Calvin Coolidge / Woodrow Wilson
Abraham Lincoln / Stephen A. Douglas
The obvious idea, being to select individuals who are polar opposites politically and ideologically, so that there is a real contrast between the two leaders and a meaningful difference in game play style.
First choice: Calvin Coolidge. For one thing, he happens to be my favorite president. For another, people on both sides generally at least respect him if not outright like him. Plus his famous terseness would make him fun and memorable to interact with, especially if leaders become more vocal again in Civ7 (as I hope they do).
Second choice: John Adams. Both of the Adamses are criminally underappreciated, and I'd love to see that changed. Also John Adams was famous for his combative, surly personality, which would also make him fun to interact with. Fun fact: John Adams is the reason the VP is not allowed to address the Senate. They got sick of hearing his voice.
Every Civ game needs villains, but I think there are more interesting villains.
I would love to see an America partially focused around the 1900ish "gilded age" of industrialization, commerce, etc. William McKinley would make an excellent leader for this. When he died people thought he might end up being one of the most popular presidents ever; unfortunately, his VP, Teddy, kind of made everyone forget about him. But you've got stuff like his open door policy with China / asia; the spanish american war; support for the american factory worker & mercantilism. Factories! Railroads! Trade routes! While still capturing the expansionist vibe. He's even on the 500$ bill.
Since there's a 0% chance of that ever happening, I think George would make a great civ7 leader. The reason is because washington can be literally anything you need him to be. He has mythological status and its easy to sell.
I wasn't thinking of him as a villain as he wasn't in real life. He was loyal and brave along with quick tempered. All people have good and bad traits. He was more of a gray character
I went with FDR, and Eisenhower.
Also Neil Armstrong?
I'd call him a villain in real life, and not simply for his treatment of Native Americans. He was reckless, violent, arrogant, and self-absorbed. He definitely qualifies as a big personality, though; I'll grant him that.
Goldwater is very controversial, because of his position on civil rights. I think Reagan or even Schwarzenegger (who would be a controversial picks) would be better. I should have included Luther King who's maybe more likely to be picked than Barack Obama.
Don't know Douglas and Lindbergh. If we go alternatively, William Jennings Bryan would be a good pick, although he doesn't represent America like it used to be in the last 300 years. Not a fan of Coolidge / Wilson, definitely not a fan of Goldwater / JFK they don't even fit together as the latter one should have space race bonuses. I don't know Taft enough.
I'm a Berniecrat, and I think he was one of the worst presidents of America, looking at poor disaster response (similar to Bush and Katrina) and because of the Great Depression (poor Hoover gets all the blame, while the crisis was a disaster long in the making, starting at the treaty of Versailles and laissez-faire politics during times of prosperity, which could obviously not last forever. The insanely huge war reparations EU nations had to pay didn't help it either. I don't want to go off-topic.
Andrew Jackson sounds a lot like one of cinemas most popular heroes. (Iron Man)
I don't know Jackson very well, but the bland and boring presidents that followed him were arguably worse. Trump is however often compared to him a lot (and to Huey Long). Jackson was a populist who gave America a fresh breath because of his personality just like Trump is. I'm sure Trump won't go into history as a boring bland president, but as someone we all know for the rest of our lives.
My favourite presidents are Teddy, FDR and Lincoln. I'm not so interested in the Founding Fathers and early American history, so i know less about it. My favourite presidents who never became president are Bryan, Debs, LaFollette, Henry Wallace, McGovern, RFK, Muskie, Eugene McCarthy and Bernie Sanders. Enough people to admire, but none of them will ever become leader of an American civilization, and that's totally fine for me. We should aim for someone who has respect from both sides. I think JFK is the last one to be respected by both. Teddy and FDR as well. Reagan by a large amount of the population as well (indies and republicans), but less by democrats.
Yes, those two statements would go together.
How do you mean. I've just said that, because I believe the left doesn't appreciate Coolidge a lot, while you say both sides admire him a lot. I could be wrong, but I have a lot more respect for the Republicans in the two decades before that, during the progressive era (and the progressive - republican split).
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