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Which civilization are you going to play?

Discussion in 'Civ4Col - General Discussions' started by Beginner, Jun 30, 2008.

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Which civilization are you going to start off with?

  1. English

    79 vote(s)
    33.8%
  2. Dutch

    86 vote(s)
    36.8%
  3. French

    39 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. Spanish

    30 vote(s)
    12.8%
  1. Beginner

    Beginner Chieftain

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    Taken from Gamespot:

    English settlers are led by George Washington and John Adams, and are regarded for their tolerance. As such, an English colony will have a healthy influx of immigrants to add to your workforce.

    The Dutch are championed by Peter Stuyvesant, who is credited for introducing tea to the colonies and overseeing the construction of a wall in New Netherland, which later became New York. Next to the wall, coincidentally, ran Wall Street. He is joined by Adriaen van der Donck, the first lawyer to live in the Dutch colonies (who just happened to lead a political uprising against Governor Stuyvesant). The Dutch receive a mercantile bonus, and prices for goods will not fluctuate.

    The French are headed by Samuel de Champlain and Louis de Buade de Frontenac. Champlain was the famed explorer who founded Quebec City and is widely considered the father of New France, whereas Frontenac was twice governor of New France. The French are known for their cooperation and receive extra bonuses from allied natives.

    On the other hand, natives do not like Spain, mostly because Spanish colonists enjoy a conquistador bonus and can slice through native ranks like a hot knife through butter. The syphilis probably doesn't help, either. Spain is led by Simon Bolivar, who organized the independence of most of northern New Spain, including Venezuela, Bolivia, Columbia, Ecuador, and Peru. Jose de San Martin is considered Argentina's national hero for his role in liberating much of southern New Spain.

    I think France is going to suit my style of play the most, but the Dutch also sound interesting, but I'm not sure how useful this "mercantile bonus" is going to be.
     
  2. Soneji

    Soneji Prince and Great Steward

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    From my experiences from playing the original, the Dutch or Spannish.

    England sucks, the Dutch start off with a better ship, the Spannish more powerful dragoons... (they were veteren, as opposed to normal troops which makes a difference from the start)

    However that could well change in this version obviously.

    The four civs also had different starting locations on the map, with France coming off the worst imo.
     
  3. Greybriar

    Greybriar Prince

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    France is the country I have always played in Colonization due to its ability to get along better with the Indians. So unless there is a major change in the bonuses of the countries in the upcoming version, I will probably continue to play as France.
     
  4. Soneji

    Soneji Prince and Great Steward

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    Who wants to be friends with the natives? :p

    You don't get all the gold by being nice!
     
  5. Circuit

    Circuit Writing Letters

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    Original Civ4 or the first Colonization?

    I myself have never played Colonization. Interesting to see what they will do, though.

    England and France sound interesting.
     
  6. Soneji

    Soneji Prince and Great Steward

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    Colonization of course... I played the original on floppy disc when it came out. At the time I felt it was far better graphically than Civ 1 any day of the week.
     
  7. GIDS888

    GIDS888 King

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    They all have pluses and minuses, that's what made it fun to play as different Colonists!

    England was good for swamping the poor natives with settlements, as I recall, it was good to play England for the longterm strategy too, as you used to butt up against the Natives and the French pretty soon so your troops were battlehardened and there were lots of them - always got Independence earliest as the English-to-Americans!

    As the French I found I could expand almost as quickly as the English, and make money faster as the Natives were more accomodating. With Civ IV's Diplo engine they could be Overpowered with such a bonus, so we'll see.

    As the Dutch I personally used to get off to a roaring start with all the Mercantile advantage, only for the French to set the Natives off against me - and the English to actually attack, which I recall was quite rare in the original Colonization, the AI starting inter-settler conflict.

    As the Spanish, you were so far from the other Europeans and instantly on such bad terms with the Tupi it was slash and burn and grab that gold, pretty much nothing else. I think Spain will be the most difficult to play in that regard with the new game.

    Colonization with the Civ IV engine though Guys!! I can't wait!!
     
  8. Onagan

    Onagan The Dutch

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  9. kolpo

    kolpo Warlord

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    I shall play my first game as the French becausnterested to see how interaction with the natives works in the new colonization. From the screenshots does it appear that thsi interaction has changed, you now see several indian villages producing, training or researching specialist colonists.

    After that shall I try the opposide strategy with the spanish, this shall I do on a random map because you sometimes have very big Inca/aztec empires on random maps, which means a lot of treasure :)
     
  10. Soneji

    Soneji Prince and Great Steward

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    That hasn't changed at all really, the tribes used to offer you the opertunity to send a stupid colonist to go become a specialist... like a master tobbaconist for example!
     
  11. kolpo

    kolpo Warlord

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    Yes I know that, but this training was instant in colonization1 so it is absolutely certain that at least something changed in the current build. In the screenshots do we see a bar under the Indian villages where it seems to take several turns to train, build or research a specialist. It could indeed be that you just like in the previous colonization send a colonist to a village and that after many turns(unlike col1) you get a specialist. Even if only this changed, would I want to try out how it changes strategy.

    But the gamespot preview talked about them like it where technologies:

    "Before you declare independence, be sure to purchase new technologies that you can find only in Europe. The natives also have exclusive techs to offer, including master tobacco farmer and master scout."

    Maybe do you no longer train individual colonists but do you instead accuire technologies who improve the output of all your tobacco farmers for example.

    It could also be that the converts you got in the previous col1 are now specialist. Then would that bar respresent how much time it takes for the next convert from that village to arrive.
     
  12. Circuit

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    This does sound very interesting. I think I'll download FreeCol and give it a whirl. I have no Colonization experience whatsoever.
     
  13. Kristian95

    Kristian95 Dr. Minion

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    I'll probably start by playing the Dutch... hopefully they're not as redicilously overpowered as they were in the original game :)
     
  14. Rusty Edge

    Rusty Edge Deity

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    I'll probaly try the Enlish first.
     
  15. Esckey

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    Dutch for me. I was always the Dutch in the first one. The added speed of their ship was to much of a boost to pass up.

    Wonder if they all get the same ship this time around
     
  16. Shurdus

    Shurdus Am I Napoleon?

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    The dutch for the ship - who cares about the rest, the ship was such a huge bonus...
     
  17. Shawnee

    Shawnee Chieftain

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    French because i played on that on old colonization.
     
  18. TheRealCzar

    TheRealCzar Chieftain

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    Spanish or French depending on whether I want to be nasty or nice I suppose. Never played the original, only know I can't be England, not ever.
     
  19. Shurdus

    Shurdus Am I Napoleon?

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    That makes two of us! :beer:
     
  20. jmassy

    jmassy Chieftain

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    Dutch for sure... Occasionally I would try the others, but then I'd always end up going back to the Dutch.
     

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