Which Civs/Nations do you want in the first Expansion for CivV?

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Turkish people, also known as the "Turks" (Turkish: Türkler, note that Turks of different regions have different names in Turkish like Türkiye Türkleri, Girit Türkleri, Kıbrıs Türkleri, Bulgaristan Türkleri, Batı Trakya Türkleri, Rodos Türkleri, Kosova Türkleri, Makedonya Türkleri, Romanya Türkleri), are an ethnic group of the Turkic peoples primarily living in Turkey as well as in the former lands of the Ottoman Turkish Empire where Turkish minorities have been established in Bulgaria, Cyprus, Georgia, Greece, Iraq, Kosovo, Macedonia, Romania and Syria. In addition, due to modern migration, a large Turkish community has been established in Western Europe (particularly in Germany, France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Austria, Belgium and Liechtenstein), as well as in Australia, the Middle East, and North America.

The Göktürk Empire in 600.
The name Turk was first applied to a clan of tribal chieftains (known as Ashina) who overthrew the ruling Rouran Khaganate, and founded the nomadic Göktürk Khaganate ("Celestial Turks")- These nomads roamed in the Altai Mountains (and thus are known as Altaic peoples) in northern Mongolia and on the steppes of Central Asia. Türks name refers to two distinct entities, both the confederation of medieval Inner Asia, Kok Turks and the Turks of modern Turkey.

The name Türk spread as a political designation during the period of Göktürk imperial hegemony to their subject Turkic and non-Turkic peoples. Subsequently, it was adopted as a generic ethnonym designating most if not all of the Turkish-speaking tribes in Central Asia by the Muslim peoples with whom they came into contact. The imperial era also provided a legacy of political and social organisation (with deep roots in pre-Türk Inner Asia) that in its Türk form became the common inheritance of the Turkic groupings of Central Asia.

Turkic people originated in the vicinity of Altai in Central Asia.The first nomadic empire founded in present day Mongolia was Xiongnu. Some academic scholars argue that ruling class of Xiongnu Empire was proto-Turkic. Xiongnu is sometimes considered related to Huns who were Turkic-speaking peoples according to Richard Frucht. The Kök Türk (or simply Turks) formed the first khanate which uses the word Turk in state name. Kök Türk khan Bilge Khan, his brother Kül Tegin and his prime minister Tonyukuk, immortalized their accomplishments with inscriptions in the Old Turkic script, the oldest known Turkish writings.

The migration of Turks to the country now called Turkey occurred during the main Turkic migration. In the migration period, Turkic language, confined in the sixth century AD to a small region exploded over a vast region including most parts of Central Asia, Turkestan, north of Black Sea, Anatolia, Iran between the sixth and thirteenth centuries.Oghuz Turks who were called Turkomen after becoming Muslim were the main source for Turkic migration to Anatolia. The process was accelerated after the Battle of Manzikert victory of Seljuks against the Romans; Anatolia would be called Turchia in the West as early as the 12th century. The Mongols invaded Transoxiana, Iran, Azerbaijan and Anatolia; this caused Turkomens to move further to Western Anatolia. In the case of the migrations, the Turkic peoples assimilated some of the Indo-European peoples encountered; Tocharian as well as the numerous Iranian speakers across the Asiatic steppe were switched to the Turkic language, and ultimately the Greek, the majority language of Anatolia, declined in favour Turkish.
The Turkish ethnicity emerged gradually during the process of settlement of the Turcomens in Turkey; Turkomens were designated Turks later.

Seljuk era
Main article: Great Seljuq Empire
The Seljuk Empire at its zenith upon the death of Malik Shah I in 1092.

The Seljuks (Turkish Selçuklular; Persian: سلجوقيان Ṣaljūqīyān; Arabic سلجوق Saljūq, or السلاجقة al-Salājiqa) were a Turkish tribe from Central Asia. In 1037, they entered Persia and established their first powerful state, called by historians the Empire of the Great Seljuks. They captured Baghdad in 1055 and a relatively small contingent of warriors (around 5,000 by some estimates) moved into eastern Anatolia. In 1071, the Seljuks engaged the armies of the Byzantine Empire at Manzikert (Malazgirt), north of Lake Van. The Byzantines experienced minor casualties despite the fact that Emperor Romanus IV Diogenes was captured. With no potent Byzantine force to stop them, the Seljuks took control of most of Eastern and Central Anatolia.They established their capital at Konya and ruled what would be known as the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. The success of the Seljuk Turks stimulated a response from Latin Europe in the form of the First Crusade. A counteroffensive launched in 1097 by the Byzantines with the aid of the Crusaders dealt the Seljuks a decisive defeat. Konya fell to the Crusaders, and after a few years of campaigning, Byzantine rule was restored in the western third of Anatolia. Although a Turkish revival in the 1140s nullified much of the Christian gains, greater damage was done to Byzantine security by dynastic strife in Constantinople in which the largely French contingents of the Fourth Crusade and their Venetian allies intervened. In 1204, these Crusaders conquered Constantinople and installed Count Baldwin of Flanders in the Byzantine capital as emperor of the so-called Latin Empire of Constantinople, dismembering the old realm into tributary states where West European feudal institutions were transplanted intact. Independent Greek kingdoms were established at Nicaea (present-day Iznik), Trebizond (present-day Trabzon), and Epirus from remnant Byzantine provinces. Turks allied with Greeks in Anatolia against the Latins, and Greeks with Turks against the Mongols. In 1261, Michael Palaeologus of Nicaea drove the Latins from Constantinople and restored the Byzantine Empire. Seljuk Rum survived in the late 13th century as a vassal state of the Mongol Empire, who had already subjugated the Abbasid Caliphate at Baghdad. Mongol influence in the region had disappeared by the 1330s, leaving behind gazi emirates competing for supremacy. From the chaotic conditions that prevailed throughout the Middle East, however, a new power was to emerge in Anatolia, the Ottoman Turks.

Beyliks era
Anatolian Beyliks (Turkish: Anadolu Beylikleri, Ottoman Turkish: Tevâif-i mülûk) were small Turkish principalities governed by Beys, which were founded across Anatolia at the end of the 11th century. Political unity in Anatolia was disrupted from the time of the collapse of the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum at the beginning of the 14th century, when until the beginning of the 16th century each of the regions in the country fell under the domination of beyliks (principalities). Eventually, the Ottoman principality, which subjugated the other principalities and restored political unity in the larger part of Anatolia, was established in the Eskişehir, Bilecik and Bursa areas.On the other hand, the area in central Anatolia east of the Ankara-Aksaray line as far as the area of Erzurum remained under the administration of the Ilhani General Governor until 1336. The infighting in Ilhan gave the principalities in Anatolia their complete independence. In addition to this, new Turkish principalities were formed in the localities previously under Ilhan occupation.

During the 14th century, the Turkomans, who made up the western Turks, started to re-establish their previous political sovereignty in the Islamic world. Rapid developments in the Turkish language and culture took place during the time of the Anatolian principalities. In this period, the Turkish language began to be used in the sciences and in literature, and became the official language of the principalities. New medreses were established and progress was made in the medical sciences during this period.

Ottoman era
Mahmud II effectively started the modernization of the Ottoman Empire and paved the way for the Tanzimat reforms which also influenced the modern Republic of Turkey.

The Ottoman Empire (Old Ottoman Turkish: دولت عالیه عثمانیه Devlet-i Âliye-yi Osmâniyye, Late Ottoman and Modern Turkish: Osmanlı Devleti or Osmanlı İmparatorluğu), was a Turkish state. The state was known as the Turkish Empire or Turkey by its contemporaries. (See the other names of the Ottoman State.) Starting as a small tribe whose territory bordered on the Byzantine frontier, the Ottoman Turks built an empire that at the height of its power (16th–17th century), spanned three continents, controlling much of Southeastern Europe, the Middle East and North Africa.

As the power of the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum weakened in the late 13th century, warrior chieftains claimed the lands of Northwestern Anatolia, along the Byzantine Empire's borders. Ertuğrul gazi ruled the lands around Söğüt, a town between Bursa and Eskisehir. Upon his death in 1281, his son, Osman, from whom the Ottoman dynasty and the Empire took its name, expanded the territory to 16,000 square kilometers. Osman I, who was given the nickname "Kara" (Turkish for black) for his courage, extended the frontiers of Ottoman settlement towards the edge of the Byzantine Empire. He shaped the early political development of the state and moved the Ottoman capital to Bursa.

The Ottoman Empire 1299 – 1923
By 1452 the Ottomans controlled almost all of the former Byzantine lands except Constantinople. On May 29, 1453, Mehmed the Conqueror captured Constantinople after a 53-day siege and proclaimed that the city was now the new capital of his Ottoman Empire. Sultan Mehmed's first duty was to rejuvenate the city economically, creating the Grand Bazaar and inviting the fleeing Orthodox and Catholic inhabitants to return. Captured prisoners were freed to settle in the city whilst provincial governors in Rumelia and Anatolia were ordered to send four thousand families to settle in the city, whether Muslim, Christian or Jew, to form a unique cosmopolitan society.

During the growth of the Ottoman Empire (also known as the Pax Ottomana), Selim I extended Ottoman sovereignty southward, conquering Syria, Palestine, and Egypt. He also gained recognition as guardian of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina; he accepted pious the title of The Servant of The Two Holy Shrines.

Suleiman I was known in the West as "Suleiman the Magnificent" and in the East, as "the Lawgiver" (in Turkish Kanuni; Arabic: القانونى:, al‐Qānūnī), for his complete restructuring of the Ottoman legal system. The reign of Suleiman the Magnificent is known as the "Ottoman golden age". The brilliance of the Sultan's court and the might of his armies outshone those of England's Henry VIII, France's François I, and Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. When Suleiman died in 1566, the Ottoman Empire was a world power. Most of the great cities of Islam (Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Damascus, Cairo, Tunis, and Baghdad) were under the sultan's crescent flag. After Suleiman, however, the empire's power gradually diminished due to poor leadership; many successive Sultans largely depended upon their Grand Viziers to run the state affairs.

The Ottoman sultanate lasted for 624 years, but its last three centuries were marked by stagnation and eventual decline. By the 19th century, the Ottomans had fallen well behind the rest of Europe in science, technology, and industry. Reformist Sultans such as Selim III and Mahmud II succeeded in pushing Ottoman bureaucracy, society and culture ahead, but were unable to cure all of the empire's ills. Despite its collapse, the Ottoman empire has left an indelible mark on Turkish culture and architecture. Ottoman culture has given the Turkish people a splendid legacy of art, architecture and domestic refinement, as a visit to Istanbul's Topkapi Palace readily shows.

The Republic of Turkey
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk visits the reorganized Istanbul University on December 15, 1930.
Eighteen female MPs joined the Turkish Parliament in 1935, at a time when women in a significant number of other European countries had no voting rights.

The Republic of Turkey was born from the disastrous World War I defeat of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman war hero, Mustafa Kemal Pasha (who was later given the surname Atatürk by the Turkish Parliament with the Surname Law of 1934), sailed from Istanbul to Samsun in May 1919 to start the Turkish liberation movement; he organized the remnants of the Ottoman army in Anatolia into an effective fighting force, and rallied the people to the nationalist cause. Under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Pasha, a military commander who had distinguished himself during the Battle of Gallipoli, the Turkish War of Independence was waged with the aim of revoking the terms of the Treaty of Sèvres.By 1923 the nationalist government had driven out the invading armies; replaced the Treaty of Sèvres with the Treaty of Lausanne and abolished the Ottoman State; promulgated a republican constitution; and established Turkey's new capital in Ankara.

During a meeting in the early days of the new republic, Atatürk proclaimed:

To the women: Win for us the battle of education and you will do yet more for your country than we have been able to do. It is to you that I appeal.
To the men: If henceforward the women do not share in the social life of the nation, we shall never attain to our full development. We shall remain irremediably backward, incapable of treating on equal terms with the civilizations of the West.
—Mustafa Kemal

The Kemalist revolution aimed to create a Turkish nation state (Turkish: ulus devlet) on the territory of the former Ottoman Empire that had remained within the boundaries of the Republic of Turkey in 1923. The meaning of Turkishness (Turkish: Türklük) implies a "citizenship" (of the Republic of Turkey) and "cultural identity" (speaking the Turkish language and growing up with the mainstream Turkish culture) rather than an ethno-genetical background. The Turkish-speaking Muslim citizens of the Ottoman Empire had been called "Turks" for centuries by the Europeans, and the Ottoman Empire was alternatively called "Turkey" or the "Turkish Empire" by its contemporaries. However, the Devşirme system and intermarriages with people in the former Ottoman territories of Southeastern Europe, the Middle East and North Africa ensured a largely heterogeneous gene pool that makes up the fabric of the present-day Turkish nation. The Turks of today, in short, are the descendants of the Turkic-speaking Muslims in the former Ottoman Empire.
“ Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene (How happy is he/she who calls himself/herself a Turk). ”

—Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
“ Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyebiline (How happy is he/she who can call himself/herself a Turk). ”

—Mahmut Esat Bozkurt

Genetics
Main article: Genetic origins of the Turkish people
Genetic kinships of European nations. Turks are in dark green (TR)

It is difficult to understand the complex cultural and demographic dynamics of the Turkic speaking groups that have shaped the Anatolian landscape for the last millennium. During the Bronze Age the population of Anatolia expanded, reaching an estimated level of 12 million during the late Byzantine Empire period. Such a large pre-existing Anatolian population would have reduced the impact by the subsequent arrival of Turkic speaking groups from Seljuk Persia, whose ethno-linguistic roots could be traced back to the eastern coast of the Caspian Sea basin in Central Asia. The Seljuk Turks were the main Turkic people who moved into Anatolia, starting from the Battle of Manzikert in 1071. Around 1,000,000 Turkic migrants settled in Anatolia during the 12th and 13th centuries.

The question of to what extent a gene flow from Central Asia, via Persia, to Anatolia has contributed to the current gene pool of the Turkish people, and the role of the 11th century invasion by Seljuk Turks, has been the subject of several studies. It is concluded that aboriginal Anatolian groups may have given rise to the present-day Turkish population. DNA analysis research studies suggest that the Anatolians do not significantly differ from other Mediterraneans, indicating that while the Seljuk Turks carried out a permanent territorial conquest with strong cultural, linguistic and religious significance, it is barely genetically detectable.

Another significant flow into the present-day Turkish gene pool occurred during the Ottoman period, when large groups of non-Turks were culturally Turkicized through the Devshirme (Devşirme) system[citation needed]; including many of the leading Ottoman Grand Viziers such as Sokollu Mehmed Pasha and members of the Köprülü family. The famous Janissary (Yeniçeri) corps were entirely formed of non-Muslim children recruited at a very young age and raised with Turkish culture. Many Ottoman sultans (as well as other members of the Ottoman society) preferred to marry women from the European provinces of the empire, such as the famous sultanas Hürrem, Kösem, Nurbanu, Safiye and numerous others; and to a lesser extent with women from the Ottoman provinces in the Near East and North Africa. The naval battles between the Ottoman Empire and other European powers around the Mediterranean Sea also played an important role in large population exchanges (see, for instance, Uluç Ali Reis and Cigalazade Yusuf Sinan Pasha). Greek Muslims have been absorbed into the Turkish ethnic group and many Turkish nobles have some Greek ancestry through the Ottoman practice of taking Christian wives.

Geographic distribution
See also: Turkish population and Turkish diaspora

Turks primarily live in Turkey; however, when the borders of the Ottoman Empire became smaller after World War I and the new Turkish Republic was founded, many Turks chose to stay outside of Turkey's borders. Since then, some of them have migrated to Turkey but there are still significant minorities of Turks living in different countries such as in Northern Cyprus (Turkish Cypriots), Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Republic of Macedonia, the Dobruja region of Romania, Pakistan, the Sandžak region of Serbia, Kosovo, Syria, India, China, Central Asia, and Iraq.

The three most important Turkish groups are the Anatolian Turks, the Rumelian Turks (primarily immigrants from former Ottoman territories in the Balkans and their descendants), and the Central Asian Turks (Turkic-speaking immigrants from the Caucasus region, southern Russia, and Central Asia and their descendants).

Turks in Turkey
See also: Regions of Turkey, Provinces of Turkey, Districts of Turkey, and List of cities in Turkey

People who identify themselves as ethnic Turks comprise 70-75% (2008), 76.03% (2006), 80-88% (1995) of Turkey's population.Regions of Turkey with the largest populations are İstanbul (+12 million), Ankara (+4.4 million), İzmir (+3.7 million), Bursa (+2.4 million), Adana (+2.0 million) and Konya (+1.9 million).

The biggest city and the pre-Republican capital İstanbul is the financial, economic and cultural heart of the country. Other important cities include İzmir, Bursa, Adana, Trabzon, Malatya, Gaziantep, Erzurum, Kayseri, Kocaeli, Konya, Mersin, Eskişehir, Diyarbakır, Kahramanmaraş, Antalya and Samsun. An estimated 70.5% of the Turkish population live in urban centers. In all, 18 provinces have populations that exceed 1 million inhabitants, and 21 provinces have populations between 1 million and 500,000 inhabitants. Only two provinces have populations less than 100,000.

Turks in Europe
As a legacy of the Ottoman Turkish Empire, there are significant Turkish minorities in Europe such as the Turks in Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Kosovo and the Republic of Macedonia.

The post-World War II migration of Turks to Europe began with ‘guest workers’ who arrived under the terms of a Labour Export Agreement with Germany in October 1961, followed by a similar agreement with the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria in 1964; France in 1965 and Sweden in 1967. As one Turkish observer noted, ‘it has now been over 40 years and a Turk who went to Europe at the age of 25 has nearly reached the age of 70. His children have reached the age of 45 and their children have reached the age of 20’.

Despite the United Kingdom not being part of the Labour Export Agreement, it is still a major hub for Turkish emigrants, and with a population of half a million Turks (an estimated 100,000 Turkish nationals and 130,000 nationals of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus currently live in the UK. These figures, however, do not include the much larger numbers of Turkish speakers who have been born or have obtained British nationality),it is home to Europe's third largest Turkish community. High immigration has resulted in the Turkish language being the seventh most commonly spoken language in the United Kingdom.

Due to the high rate of Turks in Europe, the Turkish language is also now home to one of the largest group of pupils after German-speakers, and the largest non-European language spoken in the European Union. Turkish in Germany is often used not only by members of its own community but also by people with a non-Turkish background. Especially in urban areas, it functions as a peer group vernacular for children and adolescents.

Turks in the Americas
The US Census reported in 2006 that approximately 170,000 Americans identify as having at least partial Turkish ancestry, while the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History states that there is an estimated 500,000 Turks living in the United States; the largest Turkish communities are found in Paterson, New York City (i.e. Brooklyn and Staten Island), Long Island, Cleveland, Chicago, Houston, Miami, Washington D.C. (mostly in Northern Virginia), Boston (esp. the suburb of Watertown), Philadelphia, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Since the 1970s, the number of Turkish immigrants has risen to more than 4,000 per year. There is also a growing Turkish population in Canada, Turkish immigrants have settled mainly in Montreal and Toronto, although there are small Turkish communities in Calgary, Edmonton, London, Ottawa, and Vancouver. The population of Turkish Canadians in Metropolitan Toronto may be as large as 5,0
 
You think you could place that in a spoiler
 
It was just a very long post, and posts like that take time to go past. Therefore, spoilers are such a great addition to this forum :)
 
Another expansion Civilization set I came up with. If they were to go with the Religious city states idea. A set of Civilizations with a very religion-aimed policy.

Tibet (Gendun Drup, the first Dalai Lama)
Inca (Pachacuti)
Byzantium (Constantine)
Armenia (Tiridates)
Israel (Solomon or David)
 
I think Carthage absolutely needs to be in the first expansion, with Hannibal as the leader, and here's why:

The major difference between Civs 4 and 5 is the switch from squares/stacking to hex/1UPT, and I've been looking forward to this change because battles take on a chess-like strategy more akin to a real battlefield. Once they fix the battle AI (grrrrrr), I can't wait to employ clever strategies to defeat a numerically superior force.

This was Hannibal's bread and butter. He was spanking Rome for a while with surprisingly few troops because of his strategic genius, and the way Civ 5 is set up lends itself to this greatly. For example:

The Carthaginian Empire
Leader: Hannibal
Power: Envelopment - Mounted Units ignore Zones of Control
UU: Hannibal's Elephant (replaces Knight, but treats hills as flat land or something to simulate the whole "crossing the alps" thing.
UB: Cothon (trade-boosting harbor)

I get why switching up leaders would be nice, but in this case, the new combat system is designed for great tacticians like Hannibal or Napoleon or Alexander...

Also:

Spain (duh)
Vikings or Norse or whatever
Mongolia
Either Portugal or the Netherlands (because only England has a ship as a UU - they need some competition)
Ethiopia (often underrated, I was glad to see them in Civ4)
Vietnam (unlikely, but how cool would it be to have a UU like Vietkong - Infantry units that are invisible when moving in forest/jungle)
 
I disagree on the Hannibal part. Yes, he was truly a great statesman, but in the end he failed. Therefore I would like his father Hamilcar as a leader, who did not fail. While the other generals failed in the First Punic War, he led a sucsessful Guerilla war on Sicily. He also almost singlehandly conqered much of Spain as a substitute for the land lost in the First Punic War. If not, I say Dido, who founded the city. I would eventully guess that there is a large chanche they take this woman, as they went for Wu with china, who not really did anything special during her reign, just because she is the only female leader of china.
 
the possiblity to give an own civ into game like in galciv
where you modify your own civ bonuses when creating an own civ
where you can put in own modded leadershipper (also picc) and also choose starting point on map and modd some resources startin era or pregiven techs and improvements
and ability to mod your uu and ub
 
the possiblity to give an own civ into game like in galciv
where you modify your own civ bonuses when creating an own civ
where you can put in own modded leadershipper (also picc) and also choose starting point on map and modd some resources startin era or pregiven techs and improvements
and ability to mod your uu and ub

You're absolutely right. I would like to have some editor that allows you to make units and building easily. And also leaders. I mean, how hard can it be? You can already design your own characters in games like The Sims and Saints Row. It would be cool to have a "Leader-Maker" in Civilization.
 
i want Ukraine or Kyivan Rus. Cuz in civ4 there was Stalin (very dissapointing leader, i hoped they wouldnt make him cuz he was evil dictator who killed around 20 million ukrainians), plus there was no Hitler. So im starting to think that Sid hates Ukraine. And i vote for Ukraine. Not 21st century Ukraine but historical "Zaporizhian Sich" or "Hetmanshchyna" with leader Mazepa, or Vyshnivetskiy.
Or at least i hope there will be Kyivan Rus' with leader Sv'atoslav.
 
He does not hate Ukraine. It is just the fact that Stalin, although quite brutal, improved the whole industry in Soviet and heavily modernized his country. They have had Mao until recently in Civ, and he was no good leader in many ways either, but he managed to run his country in a sucsessful way. That's why they include them. If I were to guess why they do not include Ukraine it is probably because of it not being important enough in the world basis. I am sorry to say so, but I think that is why :(
 
He does not hate Ukraine. It is just the fact that Stalin, although quite brutal, improved the whole industry in Soviet and heavily modernized his country. They have had Mao until recently in Civ, and he was no good leader in many ways either, but he managed to run his country in a sucsessful way. That's why they include them. If I were to guess why they do not include Ukraine it is probably because of it not being important enough in the world basis. I am sorry to say so, but I think that is why :(

Yeh, it is, but historical Ukraine was very important and interesting country(Kyivan Rus, Zaporizhya). But anyway, maybe you're right, im just hope they will add Ukraine:D
 
He does not hate Ukraine. It is just the fact that Stalin, although quite brutal, improved the whole industry in Soviet and heavily modernized his country. They have had Mao until recently in Civ, and he was no good leader in many ways either, but he managed to run his country in a sucsessful way. That's why they include them. If I were to guess why they do not include Ukraine it is probably because of it not being important enough in the world basis. I am sorry to say so, but I think that is why :(

Another problem with Ukraine is that they weren't independent for long periods of time. Ukraine achieved real independence only in the 90ties. But, yes, Ukraine has a unique culture, language and history, and if they are to be added I would't suggest Mazepa as leader, he is too controversial. Sviatoslav or maybe Yaroslav Mudryy could be good choices, as is Vishnevetskyy. It would be definitely nice to have Ukraine in the game.
 
So if we have Stalin in civ4 we also can have Pol Pot. They are both same. And Hitler. Stalin was even more evil. You dont know all things he did with ukrainian villagers. It wasnt worth it. Stalin also started WWII and won it. And now everybody thinks he's a hero.
And by the way CIV4 doesnt contain longlasting or successful civilization. It has interesting civs which ukraine is. and im upset that cossack is russian uu. It isnt russian! They werent cossacks who fought on russian side. They just called themsevles like that. And REAL cossacks were UKRAINIANS
 
So if we have Stalin in civ4 we also can have Pol Pot. They are both same. And Hitler. Stalin was even more evil. You dont know all things he did with ukrainian villagers. It wasnt worth it. Stalin also started WWII and won it. And now everybody thinks he's a hero.
And by the way CIV4 doesnt contain longlasting or successful civilization. It has interesting civs which ukraine is. and im upset that cossack is russian uu. It isnt russian! They werent cossacks who fought on russian side. They just called themsevles like that. And REAL cossacks were UKRAINIANS

Stalin can not be compared to Pol Pot or Hitler. I'm, of course, not protecting him, and I agree that having him is Civ is wrong, but Stalin did make the USSR strong because everybody was in awe of him and the strength of communism. This is why he is still regarded as one of the greatest leaders in Russian history - because he was successful, unlike Hitler and Pol Pot, who left their countries in ruins. This why Khrushchev failed - Stalin's influence was still strong back then, even after he told the world the truth about Stalin. And the claims that Stalin started WWII are simply idiotic - Stalin had no reason to start the war, he was afraid of Hitler. He actually thought that he was safe after the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, and when Hilter attacked he was in shock and even wanted to resign his post. His role in the victory cannot be denied though - his strong image did inspire the Soviet Union during the war, but of course besides that he didn't do anything else for the win except for taking all the credit to himself after the war.
Your claim about the cossacks is also not true. You are correct that the cossacks are associated with Ukraine, and should be the Ukrainian UU. The cossack originated in the Don area, but there are different cossacks: Ukrainian, Kuban' cossacks, Siberian cossacks... They may differ in their customs, but they are cossacks nonetheless, because they are all descended from the Ukrainian cossacks. And there were, of course, cossacks that fought for Russia, and they were REAL cossacks, however, I don't feel comfortable myself with the cossack being the Russian UU in Civ. It should've been something else.
 
Perhaps this whole idea of making a list of civs we want to
see wouldn't be a waste if an 'official' list was created and sent in?
Not that I say we should force a note upon firaxis and say 'MAKE IT
OR THE GAME STINKS' but perhaps if a large percent of the hardcore
fans agreed on what civilizations should be included then it would
perhaps encourage firaxis to add certain civs.

But to help stay on topic.

My edit to my list
China /Qin Shi Huang
Pardon me but, What on earth did Wu Zetian do for china?

Now I am all for having women leaders, but to go this far as to add
some practically clockwork leader merely so to have another female leader?

I have no problem with Wu Zetians design or anything, I merely don't see the
point in having a leader who rose to power in a great empire rather then one who
greatly helped strengthen one or even built one.
 
I agreed on your point Thor, though I do not think they will change chinas LH ;)
Here is a list of civs I have seen mentioned a lot here, parted into two categories:

Must Be:
Norse/Vikings
Spain
Mongols
Inca
Carthage
Maya

Should Be:
Portugal
Poland
Dutch
Ethiopia
Zulu

Choiches for Firaxis
Polynesia
Byzantium
Sioux
Khmer
Indonesia/Majapahit
Celts
Korea
Dutch
Assyrians
Hebrews
Timurids OR Mughals
Austria
Hungary

Any changes wished?


And FairFenix, one of the reasons why Firaxis will probably not choose Ukraine is that even if it have a great past, it simply is not great enough compeared to other European powers (Spain, Norse, Netherlands etc.), and there are quite many europeans already. No offense meant. But I could be wrong though and they could actually add it.
 
And will be!
Norse/Vikings
Spain
Mongols
Inca
Carthage
Maya

Now, here's my thought on these:
Polynesia - A must have, but I doubt Firaxis will add them, as they never were an empire (on the onther hands, the Celts were never an empire too...)
Byzantium - I'm against. It is a Greek Roman empire in Turkey's territory, and not a nation at all.
Poland - I have a feeling Firaxis will finally make them for us!
Portugal - No doubt about them.
Zulu - No doubt about them.
Sioux - There is a chance they will be added.
Khmer - There is a chance, but not a big one (because of Siam's presence).
Indonesia/Majapahit - Probably not, but would be interesting to have.
Celts - No doubt about them.
Ethiopia - Will probably return.
Korea - No doubt about them.
Dutch - No doubt about them.
Assyrians - We might actually see them.
Hebrews - Probably not. They never were a great power, and were always an underdog. I will be surprised if Firaxis will add them, but it will be a nice addition.
Timurids OR Mughals - I'm against. Not a nation.
 
Polynesia - Tempting, but were they even a full THREATENING empire?

Byzantium - even though IgorS, is against them, and I myself dislike them, one
cannot deny the major impact they had. But it would be a better use of memory
to just make Justinian I or Constantine a leader for rome.

Poland - They MUST be added. They were one of the few countries ever able
to take Moscow and HOLD IT. Who else besides the mongols could pull that off?

Portugal

Zulu

Sioux - I'm shawnee, I am against this XD, just kidding. But I don't see much
point in adding them.

Khmer - Even though we already have siam for that area. I can guarantee you
that if you called a siamese a khemer they'd probably get pretty irritated.
Indonesia/Majapahit - why?

Celts
Ethiopia -another must be added, they accomplished something NO other african
country did, survive european colonial ambitions!

Korea - eh, I like korea and all but they have only been a major power in the modern
and ancient eras.

Dutch

Assyrians - Now here's an interesting bit, I would like to see Assyria, but we
already have babylon, now I know the two were ENTIRELY different but they
were rather overlapped in the land they owned. But then again, they DID
have sumeria, an utterly pointless civ, in CivIV

Hebrews - That's asking for trouble from hundreds of people, perhaps
add Jerusalim as a city state?

Timurids OR Mughals - Just add a mughal leader to India.
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Now my list itself, abit revised to fit the topic of next expansions.
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Austria
Bulgaria
Byzantium
Carthage
Celts
Dutch
Ethiopia
Hungary
Inca
Mayan
Mongolia
Spain
Sweden
Zulu

Now, I picked these because each one has had a PROFOUND impact on history.
Even the Zulu had an impact by standing up against britain.

If these civs were added I am SURE the game would be welcomed by an even
larger audience.
 
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