Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Narz, Nov 18, 2011.
The wisest thing you have ever said!
That's why I think a porn star is more moral. When you're talking about morality you need to apply to it to the concept of universality.
Soldiers kill people. If everyone killed each other the world would be hell. This is why murder is obviously immoral. Porn stars have sex. If everyone had sex with each other the world would be somewhat fine. At least better than the first option.
I don't think a profession can really be moral or immoral.
It's the act of doing something that can be.. So.. If you're a soldier, it's morally neutral. If you shoot a dog in the face for no reason, immoral. If you're a pornstar, it's all pretty morally neutral, unless you knowingly pass on an std or have underage sex or something..
I suppose you could try to average the moralness of all the soliders in the world and try to compare that average with the prostituate average, but that'd be impossible.
There's also the fact that morality is subjective to who ever is using it. For example, Christians have a different view of what is moral than most the people on this forum. Hardened Christians view homosexuality and premarital sex as immoral when there really isn't anything immoral about it based on other moral definitions. Also, when determining whether something is moral or not, you have to look at the verb or the action. If you kill a bank robber to save everyone, that's immoral because you still killed someone and killing is wrong. But you can't always do what is morally righteous because cost-benefit analysis is more important. It's more important because the cost (shooting someone and thus being immoral) is less than the benefit (saving the people from death). Based on this, you're justified in killing the bank robber, but there is a difference between justification and moral obligation.
Wrong application of the Kantian principle, though. You can't ask "What if everyone killed each other?". That question applies to murder, as you said, and not soldiery.
Fascinating. Did you have a point with that comment or are you just spamming the thread?
Kantian principle isn't about the result of an action, it's about the action. Soldiers kill. The result might be the protection of freedoms and whatnot, but that falls under the realm of justification, not morality.
Edit: Or are you saying the action is soldiering, not killing or murder? If that is the case, what does soldiering entail?
Killing other soldiers in war. What would happen if everyone, faced with an enemy soldier during a war, killed their enemy? Pretty much what happens nowadays anyway!
And what do soldiers do when they are faced against enemy soldiers? They kill. Again, it's not about killing the enemy, it's about killing in itself.
Just having fun. Nobody's denying soliders do noble things but their main purpose is to kill in the name of the country's interests.
So killing is wrong, full stop? In that case I don't think we're going to agree.
From the moral standpoint, yes, killing is always wrong. But like I said with the bank robbery example above, you're justified in killing if it saves lives or if it's for self defense. But there is a difference between the two.
NATO soldier > porn star > soldier from any other country
I voted porn star, because so many of the world's soldiers serve Communist or terrorist countries.
Not only did you save the innocent you got rid of the bastard possibly saving future victims without involving the judicial system. You're a hero! Killing aint wrong, killing without justification is wrong...
That's like saying a researcher's main purpose is to fail experiments and use up funding. A lot of it happens to be sure, and it is significant to the job, but how is killing the primary goal of a soldier's duty? If it was, I doubt the question of how to handle so many surrendering enemy soldiers would have been so pertinent during Operation Desert Storm.
if the Dems and Repubs didn't keep getting elected most US soldiers might be able to serve a lifetime without shooting at anyone...
Is the first thing you learn how to handle surrendering enemy soliders or how to hold and fire a gun? What do they teach in basic training? How to tactfully deal with civilians?
At least the pornographic actress knows she's getting screwed.
Except for the massive amount of STD's and AIDS spreading.
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