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Which is a more moral profession?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Narz, Nov 18, 2011.

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Which is the more righteous profession?

  1. Porn Star

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  2. Modern Solidier

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  1. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf Deity

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    Depending on what you mean by "judge". And what if effective imposing of our views will necessitate murdering some of the people controlled by the regime, too?
    As to the poll, it depends on the war in which the soldier fights in.
     
  2. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    I agree that "country" is a term used by fat old men (war profiteers) to manipulate listless young men who crave adventure (in our rather adventureless society to) into being pawns.

    As if killing people in Iraq is going to make your kid's school safer or his food safer or his air safer? It'll probably make him less safe if you miss critical parts of his life. The way to help a person, place or community is, you know, to participate within it not go live your GI Joe fantasies & screw Arab whores in the desert while neglecting your domestic life.
     
  3. Lone Wolf

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    Are you saying it about Russian soldiers or American ones? :mad:
     
  4. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    What I gather from this thread: "Our" (American or whatever) soldiers = beings of virtue who risk their lives to protect their country or even foreign populations. "Their" soldiers = evil aggressors and oppressors who deserve to be killed by our own saintly military.

    This hypocrisy makes me sick.
     
  5. civver_764

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    I agree. Some of you would do well to read a Chomsky book or two.
     
  6. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    Yeah, but soldiers are always engaged in a noble profession :crazyeye:
     
  7. Lone Wolf

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    I am the only one who explicitly tired to reverse the "noble American" vs. "evil non-American" polarity into a "noble non-American" vs. "evil American" one. It saddens me :(
     
  8. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    saying that a porn star is more moral than a soldier is an insult to those in the armed forces.
     
  9. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    Yeah, protecting you from laughably low probabilities of being injured by a man who's motives you don't even understand. Thank god.

    Glad you understood.
     
  10. Flying Pig

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    One of them is a profession in which one must sacrifice the rights that you and I hold dear in the name of serving others. The other's the army.

    True nowadays with an enemy that considers using IEDs, terrorism and general unpleasantness to civilians to be legitimate ways of fighting a war in their own country, but generally not a view you'll hear held up by anyone with any experience
     
  11. NickyJ

    NickyJ Retired Narrator

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    Hey, you want to run the high risk of another 3,000 + casualties from a terrorist attack? Fine, but don't expect others to want the same thing.
     
  12. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    Killing to stop killing, good plan.

    Guess its all fine, so long as Blue team wins with the highest score in 2050.
     
  13. holy king

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    well, lets break it down.

    porn stars take money for what they do.
    soldiers take money for what they do.

    porn stars risk their lives by getting stds.
    soldiers risk their lives by being shot at.

    porn stars may kill people with stds.
    soldiers are expected to kill people with guns.

    the product porn stars produce is meant for entertainment.
    the product (victory) soldiers are supposed to produce is meant for whatever the people in charge of them try to achieve.


    now, simply producing entertainment is morally neither here nor there while the goals of the people in charge of soldiers may well be morally abhorrent.
    slight advantage porn star.

    porn stars are not meant to kill by job description (but just may) while a soldiers job description is to kill.
    advantage porn star.



    money and life risking offset each other, so a soldier is 1,5 moral points worse than a porn star.


    pretty simple, if you ask me.
     
  14. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    you explained it very well, I'm going to petition to the US government to get rid of it's armed forces, and encourage people to become porn stars.
     
  15. holy king

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    ok, but it hink they'd rather do morally wrong things than let their system and thus power collapse. worth a try though.
     
  16. civver_764

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    That wouldn't have happened in the first place had America not been meddling in the Middle East(which resulted in a much larger number of causalities, not that I expect you to care).
     
  17. asbestos

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    Pornstar isn't a virtuous profession, because it's mainly done for money, and the personality characteristics of the pornstar are irrelevant. But it also isn't an immoral one (it may even have a net ethical benefit to society if the free availability or internet porn reduces incidence of rape). (On the other hand, if porn is legitimately a form of sexual abuse and increases the % of rape as some feminists contend, then it probably would be immoral).

    A soldier has to have both virtuous and non-virtuous qualities - there are noble features like fortitude and self-sacrifice that, in theory, soldiers are required or trained to have. But there are also non-virtuous ones, like the requirement to kill and to follow orders indiscriminately. The morality of being a soldier depends on the situation: i.e., whether or not the soldier is engaged in a war for self-defense (rare IMO) or a war of aggression (more likely IMO).
     
  18. aelf

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    That's the case for, like, most professions.

    Are you sure? You think they'd just take anyone who's willing to have sex in front of a camera?

    When soldiers make mistakes because of some character flaw, the mistakes have a good chance of being fatal to others. You can't say the same about porn stars. I think that kind of balances things out a bit.
     
  19. NetGear

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    Actually I was always appalled at how people in the military didn't have any self-discipline. Yeah they do fine when everything is strict and locked down for them, they're troopers and weather thru what id consider abuse, but the second they're allowed choice, it falls apart. And command knows this too and are sooo friggin paranoid about giving freedom. Its probably the worst thing about my experience serving. Being in that kind of enviornment where people constantly doubt your ability self control yourself like that. But I don't blame them.
     
  20. asbestos

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    Quite. Most normal professions aren't distinguished as being virtuous, except in the trivial sense that they earn money which can be used for independent virtuous acts.

    The subjective discussion of which personality traits can be considered as virtuous and which can't isn't one in which I believe I can convince other people of my opinion. My opinion is that a pornstar's penchant for taking off her clothes and having sex in front of a camera is not a personality trait that I can judge in terms of positive or negative. You have a right to disagree, of course.
     

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