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Which leader is handled better by AI

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Forgive me if there is something like that, but I couldn't find it so I thought of creating.

I am not asking your opinion on what is your favorite leader, or which one is OP or weak in your opinion. I am talking about the use of the leaders by the AI.

I only play continents, and my experience is that there are certain leaders that I see almost always getting strong in the other continent(s), no matter what is the starting position, etc. (I pick the other continent(s) since you can argue that in my continent they are seriously affected by my wars).

Obviously, this is a combination of good UU/UA/UB, selection of policies, and leader general style when handled by the AI. To give an example, I have yet to see China or Arabia getting really strong, although they are arguably among the best civs to play, while I consistently see Germany getting strong, or even more Siam and Byzantines.

What is your view?
 
City-spammers do well when there's land to settle, first among them Hiawatha. Alex is good because he doesn't waste his troops attacking city-states I believe. Kamehameha, Bismark, Caesar are all solid, but they still get kicked around sometimes.
 
City-spammers do well when there's land to settle, first among them Hiawatha. Alex is good because he doesn't waste his troops attacking city-states I believe. Kamehameha, Bismark, Caesar are all solid, but they still get kicked around sometimes.

Just to add that Hiawatha is considerably helped by his starting "forest bias" in combination with his UU. But I haven't enough games with him in another continent (somehow he usually is in mine) to judge whether he goes on well later.
 
I'm surprised you haven't seen a strong Arabia yet - Harun is one of the consistently better-performing AIs for me. I've even lost to him before.

Other leaders who usually do well:
- Pachacuti
- Darius
- Hiawatha
- Bismarck
- Ramkhamhaeng
- Ramesses (if he doesn't get attacked early on)
- Sejong (likewise)

Sadly, the G&K AIs mostly seem to be pretty weak. Maria Theresa used to be unstoppable before the fall patch nerfed her; now I very seldom see her annexing a City-State. Probably the most reliably OK-to-well-performing AIs from G&K are Theodora, Dido and William, but I've seen all of them fail many a time.

ETA: of course Theo often doesn't manage to get any use at all out of her UA, so on second thoughts I'm not sure how well the AI really handles Byzantium...
 
Maybe I got this impression since I feel Harun is missing too many opportunities, trying to play peacefully. For example, I remember one game where I had the military advisor saying for his neighbor Ramses "I think I saw the only Egyptian unit". And he was standing still, with 5 wonderful tall cities to take next to his door (with tons of wonders) - having first mutually denounced each other (so pathetic a play). Plus I think that Harun is an easy prey for the warmongers at the starting phase, that's why in my games he is almost never left alone to shine. Maybe he needs Small Continents to do better.
 
Just to add that Hiawatha is considerably helped by his starting "forest bias" in combination with his UU. But I haven't enough games with him in another continent (somehow he usually is in mine) to judge whether he goes on well later.

yeah he does. he chops like mad too so his starting bias are of double value. He's a very likely runaway. Actually, I believe only two factors count when you think about how well the AI will do. Does it spam cities? and Does it conquer city-states? I'm sure 80% runaways are yes-no.
 
Harun al-Rashid
Hiawatha
Caesar
Suleiman
Genghis
Bismarck etc.
 
I had Harun do very well only once, where he got a turn 219 science victory (that desert bias with an early petra can be rather disgusting).
 
Ah, that explains. It isn't long since I switched to GnK and I realized I haven't had Harun often enough in another continent. In vanilla his desert bias without Petra was really a disadvantage.

By the way, I think this gets connected to the excellent article http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=409062. I feel that this explains some of the similarities mentioned already. I would only like to see another chart with the likelihood of leaders to follow certain policies (for example, neglect Rationalism and go for Piety).
 
I'm surprised you haven't seen a strong Arabia yet - Harun is one of the consistently better-performing AIs for me. I've even lost to him before.

Other leaders who usually do well:
- Pachacuti
- Darius
- Hiawatha
- Bismarck
- Ramkhamhaeng
- Ramesses (if he doesn't get attacked early on)
- Sejong (likewise)

Sadly, the G&K AIs mostly seem to be pretty weak. Maria Theresa used to be unstoppable before the fall patch nerfed her; now I very seldom see her annexing a City-State. Probably the most reliably OK-to-well-performing AIs from G&K are Theodora, Dido and William, but I've seen all of them fail many a time.

ETA: of course Theo often doesn't manage to get any use at all out of her UA, so on second thoughts I'm not sure how well the AI really handles Byzantium...

Genghis rarely lasts to the end of my games; he gets dogpiled for attacking all the CSS!

On the first list above my comments are thus:

I agree on everyone except Darius and Sejong. I have yet to see them perform in any capacity. That though is not the norm since games between players are variable.

Siam almost constantly is either a runaway or a very strong player. I had my share of games where Egypt was strong but not enough.

As to Genghis he almost always gets a humongous empire. The only exception is if he spawns near another big warmonger (etc Alex) and they exhaust one another.

Harun is always a top notch player, only when he got in an archipelago map did he blunter, even chose freedom for once :lol:

I am curious however about the fact that none put on the list the greatest runaway of all. Mr. Adolphus :D

He didn't do it many times but when he did, he had gone to an autocratic spree!
 
I didn't picked leaders who are the best AI but who make the best use of their unique units and abilities. enjoy My top 10 :


1 Alexander

It will use a lot of its cash at city state and complete quest by the medieval era or later he has olmost every single city state... He uses his UA good.
He makes good use of his unique early units by declaring war early on. And spamming a lot of hoplites and cavalry as support i've seen him use cavalry verry wisely whiping out my compositve bowmans.


2 Maria Theresa

Yes this annoying girl who anex every single city state which makes her stronger every era. it olso allows her to conquer more land(more military ) so become even more stronger this AI is allways a problem if it is in my game. She uses her UA verry often and she goes straight to cavalry and artillery which makes her slaughter most of the Ai's


3 Haile Selassie

Yes this guy can get a religion in no time while you just founded you're pantheon . He uses his faith wisly and spams misonaries and prophets to convert you and other people i've never seen a AI use religion that good. He olso spams a lot of wonder a really anoying pacifist.


4 Sejong

He is allways the tech leader and is allways a dangerous AI for winning space race. Clearly he uses his specialist a lot and i've seen a lot of accedemy's around his capital. Usally he has conquered a lot of people at the renaissance proparly because of the Hwach'a

5 Ramesses II

Yes ramses doe the thing the Human player never does when playing him spamming wonders usally he spams 80 % of the wonders in my game which is a positif thing and a negatif thing because he usally has a low military however in the early game his military is pretty strong because he spams a lot of chariot archers which he uses verry good better then a human player.

6 Nebuchadnezzar II

This guy allways is ahead in science and olmost never get whiped out or conquered. He uses his early unique unit and walls to his advantage to either conquer or protect him and get ahead in science. He is just like sejong a AI who can win a space race withouth a problem so he uses his UA verry well.

7 ghenghis kahn

This guy actualy does what his unique ability gives him bonusses for killing city states. this AI just atacks city states constantly even in the modern era its funny to see and it is verry anoying.


8 Ramkhamhaeng

This guy is a pain in the ass he usally picks up a lot of city state for his UA and he spams a lot of elephants and conquer a lot of people he can olso be verry though at war for a human player just because of the elephants. The AI actually spams a lot of elelphants at the medieval era until the industrial era. Which is a good use of his UA


9 Suleiman

Yes he makes verry much use of his Unique units he goes straight to gunpowder and after that chemistry and metalurgy he can be verry anoying at war and he can conquer a lot of Ai's. I actualy fear jannisaries



10 Attila

Just because he can kill you in one second if you are not carefull with is unique units. He spams a lot of units in the early game and conquers a lot of people he isn't much a threat in the late game but he actualy uses his unique units verry well and he does what he suposed to be a early warmonger
 
On the first list above my comments are thus:

I agree on everyone except Darius and Sejong. I have yet to see them perform in any capacity. That though is not the norm since games between players are variable.

Siam almost constantly is either a runaway or a very strong player. I had my share of games where Egypt was strong but not enough.

As to Genghis he almost always gets a humongous empire. The only exception is if he spawns near another big warmonger (etc Alex) and they exhaust one another.

Harun is always a top notch player, only when he got in an archipelago map did he blunter, even chose freedom for once :lol:

I am curious however about the fact that none put on the list the greatest runaway of all. Mr. Adolphus :D

He didn't do it many times but when he did, he had gone to an autocratic spree!

In my experience, Darius and Sejong will monster away happily when they have the room to. Darius is probably the biggest city-spammer in the game and I find him quite a rival in the late-game. He also loves to snap up all my favourite Wonders.

Genghis I have only ever seen performing well when he has a continent to himself. He's rubbish at using Keshiks properly, and he loves to annoy every other AI on the map by DOWing all the City-States.

I have never seen Gustavus perform adequately, never mind running away!
 
I toyed with the idea of mentioning Catherine, but while I always see her do reasonably well, I have yet to see her really run away.
 
Well, it is more than the use of UU/UA. For example, I noticed Nabby many times picking Piety, which is a "No-No-No" for AI handling - and got killed easily by his neighbors. I haven't checked the policies Cathy is taking, though.
 
I think AI performance is based purely on the flavor setting of the AI. For instance, Kamehameha should normally not be very successful, but in reality he always seems to do well, because his personality is set to like spamming cities.

I've also seen Siam and the Ottomans do well quite often.

Bismark seems to always have the bad luck of spawning next to me and doesn't get the time to grow and be a menace :D.
 
12 replies and nobody mentioned Cathy (Russia)?

Easily one of the best AIs.

Pretty hit or miss in my games. Either she will gobble up her neighbors or she will be a pathetic little girl in her corner. I am starting to consider Dido (add an L for reference muahahaha) is a bigger ....

I've also seen Siam and the Ottomans do well quite often.

Bismark seems to always have the bad luck of spawning next to me and doesn't get the time to grow and be a menace :D.

What you say for Bismark happens to me and Suleiman. Plus that guy always and I mean always, attacks city states and I just have to liberate them.
 
Five Best Handled AI Leaders
1. Hiawatha - biggest city-spammer; usually has good production
2. Darius - the focus on Gold and Happiness, coupled with decent expansion make him pretty formitable
3. Hallie - he always gets a religion and it's usually one of the strongest ones. He stays competitive pretty much the whole game and doesn't really ruffle any feathers
4. Kamehameha - he manages to balance city-spamming and wonder-whoring better than most Civs; his friendly demeenor usually lends him to a lot of RAs with other AIs
5. Pachacuti - the Terrace Farm is phenomenal, allowing him to have great Food and Production

Five Situationally Good Leaders
1. Theodora - usually pretty strong, but rarely focuses on religion :rolleyes:
2. Sejong - I've seen him runaway and I've seen him get squished early; he's very inconsistent
3. Sulliman - Usually does well until he backstabbs his closest ally; then everyone DOWs him
4. Bismark - If the LK rush is successful, he snowballs; if not, he's done.
5. Harun - usually does well, but not well enough to be competitive. I usually forget he's there...

Five Worst Handled AI Leaders
1. Denmark - decent enough UUs and UA; he usually just sits in the corner and does nothing...
2. Attila - either does well or horribly depending on the inevitable early rush
3. Montezuma - same as Attila, although I think he can recover better if he fails thanks to his UB
4. Ramesses - He starts off pretty strong (a few early Wonders, decent army thanks to the Chariot Archer, and often gets a religion). My major issue is that he doesn't transition well into later eras at all. He seems to neglect military once his Chariots become obsolete, leaving his Wonders for the taking...
5. Elizabeth - Honestly, she's not that bad of an AI. She plays to her strengths and usually has a decent grip on the game. The reason she's on this list, however, is because she is just plain nasty. By the middle of the game, most players (including me) hate her for being Hostile for no real reason. I'm pretty sure I've seen the "let's DOW England" more often than with any other Civ.
 
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