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Which of these alliances against the Babs should we sign?

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game II: Polls' started by eyrei, Jan 19, 2003.

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Which of these alliances should we sign?

Poll closed Jan 21, 2003.
  1. Russia (we give military tradition)

    15 vote(s)
    71.4%
  2. China (we give RoP, 150 gold, and 10gpt)

    9 vote(s)
    42.9%
  3. Iroquois (we give incense)

    21 vote(s)
    100.0%
  4. France (we give WM, 8gpt and RoP)

    10 vote(s)
    47.6%
  5. America (we give WM, 4gpt and RoP)

    12 vote(s)
    57.1%
  6. England (we give any of our techs and RoP)

    11 vote(s)
    52.4%
  7. Abstain

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    This is an informational poll. Relevant discussion can be found here. . This is also a multiple choice poll.
     
  2. Stuck_as_a_Mac

    Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri

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    Two questions: If we do all, whats the total bill?
    And
    What will russia give us for Horsies.
     
  3. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    What about an ROP with the Iroquois? Or, do we already have one?
     
  4. Falcon02

    Falcon02 General

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    And what about those Zulu and Roman ones I mentioned... IMHO their too much of a bargain to let go.
     
  5. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    I didn't include those because they are both 'minor' civs that are also far away from Babylon. They are a bargain because they won't actually help us at all...
     
  6. Falcon02

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    getting Democracy and 2 workers WILL help us!... just not with the war...
     
  7. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    We can get the workers for our World Map...
     
  8. Falcon02

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    okay... that's good too... what about Democracy?

    I feel the MA's won't help us with the Zulus or Romans, but it doesn't hurt to tag it onto the the deal if we don't have to add anything to get them to accept.

    I just kinda feel like my Zulu/Roman Suggestions have been ignored, and I think it would be kinda stupid not to go ahead with them, since they don't require much on our part, and the Romans give us a cheap way to get Democracy and 2 Workers.
     
  9. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    Sorry, Falcon, I really just missed that post. Discussion for this stuff has been all over the place. Post it here, and if there seems to be support for it, I will include it in my instructions...
     
  10. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    I think we should get any workers possible (but we should have our own). BTW, it seems the worker we lost was a foreign worker... (probably Japanese).
     
  11. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    I voted only for the Iroquois alliance. I've had it up to here *donsig holds his hand to his forehead to illustrate* with RoPs. Give Russia Military Tradition? :eek:
     
  12. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    I really don't see why you people don't like the gpt deals. I didn't realize we had gold to waste.
     
  13. Eklektikos

    Eklektikos Eponymous

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    They'll get it soon anyway, and we will be profiting quite nicely from being the ones to give it to them. Firstly, they are very well placed to kick some perfidious Babylonian arse, and secondly it'll ensure we get their GA out of the way before any future offensives against them.

    For the record, I voted for alliances with Russia, China & the Iroquois. If we intend trying to hold any Bab cities in the long term then the last thing we want is for them to move their capital to somewhere out of the way in the south. Their major cities will always be at high risk of culture flip until the entire civilisation has been eradicated.
     
  14. Feodor Ardent

    Feodor Ardent Grizzled 'ol Civ Veteran

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    Sorry, Falcon, I thought it was such an obviously good idea on your part, that my comment wouldn't be needed. Let me know if you need me to vote on it somewhere.

    Feodor
     
  15. Feodor Ardent

    Feodor Ardent Grizzled 'ol Civ Veteran

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    If they are reduced to four small cities half a continent away, how bad could the risk of culture flip be? Particularly since we will (hopefully) be in possession of most of their cultural sources.

    In any event, the Chinese have every reason to attack Babylon themselves, after we've crippled Babs military and the Russians have been cleared from China's jungle. Although it is unlikely that anyone will bother going after that town on the island.

    Feodor
     
  16. Stuck_as_a_Mac

    Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri

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    I like the russia/mil tra. Think of it this way. Who do you want cossacks raining down on? Us or them?
     
  17. Eklektikos

    Eklektikos Eponymous

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    To answer your question (rhetorical or no) in one word: Very.

    Taking cities will not deplete the existing cultural strength of a civ, and on occasions in which I have not been sufficiently respectful of the Babs' legendary culture I have seen major cities flipped back by just one pathetic refugee camp of a city miles away at the other end of a large continent. IMO there'll even be a significant risk of a flip if that island city of theirs is allowed to survive. Personally I'd like to see most of their core cities razed unless we can eradicate the entire civ extremely quickly after taking them. :scan:
     
  18. eyrei

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    Unless the results of this poll change significantly in the next couple hours, my instructions will be to sign alliances with Russia, Iroquois, England and America.
     
  19. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    I chose Russia, Iroquois(we need RoP if we don't have) and America because we need to use their land to reach Babylonian cities or units(near Leningrado).

    I chose France and China becuase I don't want to fight them at this time.

    To me, all England could offer is more units to obstruct our roads.
     
  20. Feodor Ardent

    Feodor Ardent Grizzled 'ol Civ Veteran

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    That is a pretty good mix . . .

    -- Russia for their muscle and ability to strike directly at Babylon.

    -- Iroquois for their road net; their army is unimpressive and in the wrong place.

    -- England because they have a Bab army on their territory and will engage it right away.

    -- America because, if the French side with Babylon, they will have to fight the Americans first.

    Feodor
    (Nodding in appreciation, hands cupping a hot spiced brandy)
     

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