Which of these civilizations do you hope to see?

It's indeed way too late to fix the poll via removing Sumeria & Hittites.

Thread title and poll name changed to only exclude Civs seen in IV & V.

 

Well, Gilgamesh disagrees

 

Useful link for you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilisation
It'd be great if you checked your facts before correcting others.

Exactly, Sumer was in Civ4 too. The thread title is still incorrect.

 

India:
Tried to pick a kingdom from each major religion in india

- Hoysala (Southern Jain/Hindu empire)
- Chola (One of the most important empires in Indian history as it spread indian culture futher than ever before)
- Sikh empire (Not the biggest but certainly an interesting one)
- Mughals (Self explanatory)
- Pala Empire (Among the last indian buddhist empires

Southeast asia:
- Tangoo
- Pangasian kingdom
- Lan Xang
- ayutthaya

China:
- All the prominent ones

Tibet:
- Turfan Empire
- Dzungar khanate

Horde-ish:
- Golden horde
- Ilkhanate
- Timurids
- Crimea

North african:
- Hafsid tunisa
- Fatimid caliphate
- Rustamid iamamate

Arabia:
-Lakhmids
-Ghassanids
-Himyarite kingdom

Iberia:
-Al-Andalus
-Visigoths

 

Can't very well kick out the civ currently leading the poll, so the title has been changed yet again.
It's now "Which of these civilizations do you hope to see?"

 

What if Tibet is a DLC civ like Polynesia is for Civ5?

Anyway, I voted for Israel (preferably ancient Israel), but I was tempted to pick Phoenicia.

 

I thought about Phoenicia, but we have Carthage so maybe as a new name for an old civ...

 

Missing in the original poll are:

EUROPE:

Prussia
Lithuania
Scotland
Holy Roman Empire (included in CIV)
Gauls
Visigoths/Lombardy
Vatican/Papal State
Normandy
Wends
Czechs
Ukraine/Kiyevan Rus'
Thracians
Etruscans
Belgium
Switzerland
Ireland
Wales
Finland
Norway/Norse


Central & South America:

Nazca
Tiwanaku
Moche
Toltec
Olmec
Zapotec
Gran Colombia
Argentina
Cambeba/Omagua
Arawak
Mexico


Africa:

Ashanti
South Africa (Mandela as leader)
Oyo
Mali (were in civ)

Seleucids and Parthians, Mitanni, Medes, Lydia (coinage was invented there) from Asia.
You're also missing Maurya and Kalinga for India.

Oh yes?
Then why every game in the series is called CIVILIZATION not CIVILSATION?
Why is the name of this site: CIVILIZATION FANATICS not CIVILISATION FANATICS?

Unless both forms are acceptable, you are incorrect by correcting my post.

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Hello?
The reason ITALY was never included is obvious:
Overlapping with Rome on Earth maps.

Absolutely agree, Etruscans should have made it by now, they were a civilization, unlike the Huns.

Teutons should be a Unique Unit of Prussia-also regularly omitted from inclusion in the game.

I do believe that Phoenicia never featured in any vanilla or expansion/complete game of Civilization up to this point.

To say the least, a big time omission by the developers.
Phoenicians were brilliant sailors, merchants and explorers.

Canaan (in middle East) is missing on the poll list as well.
It was a thriving civilization, with cities such as Jericho and Ai, until the Hebrews arrived and took over the Canaanite lands and cities by brute force, declaring it their "promised land"

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Spelling Civilization with a 'z' is the American form (hence why the American game company Firaxis and the American-based forum Civilization Fanatics Center use it), while spelling it with an 's' is the British form (and is so used in most other parts of the world, including amongst non-native/ESL English speakers.) Both spellings are technically valid; they're just regional variants, and so @nunor is completely right in correcting your post.

 

A colony which became far more powerful than it's founder nation, hmm, reminds me of America and Britain.

Carthage never controlled Phoenicia, great cities like Tyre, Sidon and Byblos were Phoenician, Persians or Egyptians (and others) only conquered them later.

Since Carthage is like America ( a colony which later became independent of it's motherland) and Phoenicia like the old country (not really, because Britain was still very powerful, even though USA had separated from it's grasps) and both are in the game since CI, then why not include the Phoenicians?

 

Because you do so at the expense of several civs that lasted centuries with peak sizes barely smaller than Roman Empire at its height and larger than many civs already included.

 

So what? If they're interesting and people would like to see them, they should have a shot at being included.

 

Sure, if we go to like 80 civs this time why not.

Otherwise my point stands. There are better options by any rational criteria beyond preference you could use.

 

Sumer
Gran Colombia
Canada
Israel
Vietnam
Kongo
Sioux
Franks
& ditch Venice get Italy

 

These results say nothing. Everyone wants something else.

 

Personal preferences vary way too much to be able to say this.
If it were up to me, Phoenicia would easily be in the top 30.
On the other hand Carthage wouldn't be in the top 50, while the USA or any other more modern civ wouldn't even be in the top 100.

 

Khazars is must. There isn't any Jewish civ in game and I believe Khazars would be perfect. One of the most important and interesting Empire in entire history. Full of religious freedom. All who suffered religious oppression by their empire ran and settled Khazar Khaganate.

Khaganate was Turkish. So, Tengriism was main religion but ruling class converted to Judaism but some soldiers converted to Islam. Some were Christian, Slavic pagan, Norse pagan, buddist and even religious Syncretism was in kingdom.

So, their UA can be based on religion and trade because they were really good traders. (Jewish power I think )

 

That's why I said beyond preference. You need some reasonable criteria to include civs or not include them.

I made a strong claim: there's nothing you can use besides preference that would consistently include Phoenicia unless the civ pool is large. This claim can be viewed as a challenge; I'm basically saying that I don't believe that posters can come up with criteria that will include Phoenicia without excluding civs in every title or more deserving civs based on their on stated standards.

If you don't believe me or want to show me I'm wrong, completely scratch preference as a factor and try to come up with that inclusion criteria.

Aside from the bias in poll design (which is considerable), it does at least show that there isn't an overwhelming preference amongst voters on this forum for one thing. If we had one civ that was 100+ votes in front of #2 some of the noise in the poll would seem pretty trivial.

But we're not seeing that. That makes using a reasonable criteria set without filling the bottom line in advance more important.

 

I'm still curious to see the set of independent criteria you would use to generate a satisfactory list of civs. (Where independent criteria are criteria that can be applied to every potential civilization without consideration of the placement of other civs on the list.)

That's not quite a challenge - I don't feel confident either way in whether such a set of criteria can be constructed. But I'd rather see these criteria in practice rather than just accepting such a set exists based on the idea.

If a good set of criteria can't be listed at all, it's not that valuable a claim to say that such criteria that includes a particular civilization can't be listed.

And if such a set of criteria can be listed, well, I'm just curious what yours personally would be anyway.