Which Wonders do you build?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by manu-fan, Jul 25, 2007.

  1. manu-fan

    manu-fan Emperor

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    Hi,

    I tend to go for:

    1. The Oracle

    A great early wonder, as it propels you forward technologically. I usually take Metal Casting (see #2).

    2. The Colossus

    Usually have a coastal city in my first 3 or 4. Get a forge and then crank this baby before anyone else can. I great boost to financial stability.

    3. The Parthanon

    I love getting Great People. Accelerate with the Parthanon.

    4. The Great Library

    I love those extra scientists.

    5. Hanging Gardens

    Love that extra health and population

    6. University of Sankore

    Boosts research at just the right time

    7. Spiral Miranet

    Boosts financial late in the game

    8. Taj Mahal

    I usually get this just after I get Military Tradition. Great for cranking out those Cavalry.

    That's my perfect game. If I get all of these, I'm quite happy.

    Sometimes I'll go for Stonehenge, but not very often. I don't like trying for the Pyramids. I'd rather find out who got it, and go and wipe them out.

    Anyway. Thoughts?

    Cheers.
     
  2. Mailman_Posty

    Mailman_Posty Chieftain

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    I like to get Pyramids so i can switch to any goverment civic I want early on in the game. Thats usually the first Wonder I go for if I do build one.
     
  3. obsolete

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    It's sort of all situational. Always going after a certain type of wonder only works on the easy levels.

    BTW, what is with the fanatism over metal-casing with the oracle people tend to go over? Alphabet I'd think is the superior choice.
     
  4. manu-fan

    manu-fan Emperor

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    Metal Casting is the most expensive one you can get for free. Why not?

    Another choice I've seen people take is Code of Laws. I guess it's up to your own personal style and preference.

    Cheers.
     
  5. gettingfat

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    Sometimes it still depends. If you don't have a religion, want a bit more culture, is going for liberalism route, playing organized leaders, getting cities far away and want courthouses, or want Caste system for SE, etc, losing a 100 beakers in taking the cheaper CoL is worth it.

    Recently if I get a very nice financial start, I may even research monarchy by myself and time the oracle well to shoot for feudalism slingshot. Then I'll switch to vassalage and hereditary rule in one turn and go for longbow rush. It's doable at Monarch level over 50% of time (easier than the old version CS slingshot as monarchy is cheaper than CoL). If you fail you still have monarchy, a very good tech to relieve the happiness cap early.
     
  6. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    Lately I've been going for the Pyramids again first (plus Great Wall first if I have stone). If I can get the Oracle in my second city, I'll go for it too, but prefer a land grab strategy currently (at Monarch difficulty). Representation from Pyramids is worth more in the short and long term than Oracle's free tech I think. I tend to run specialists rather than cottage spam most of the time though.

    I'll try and get the Parthenon too in my highest food city.

    Latest game (looks like it's going to be my first Monarch win [Ragnar], hooray), I got Pyramids, Great Lighthouse (just as a bonus really since I had stone and it was cheap), Great Library in the capital, Oracle in my second city, no chance for getting the parthenon so I didn't bother.

    Got 3 great engineers too (wanted scientists really, but still won liberalism race) but I used one on West Point and another on Taj Mahal (basically a golden age for 1 engineer, got me to cavalry fast after taking Nationalism from liberalism). Probably going to use the spare one for Statue of Liberty when I get democracy with the last one, unless I change from domination plan to space when the space elevator will be built).

    I do like the Hanging Gardens but seem to get beaten to them most of the time. Captured Notre Dame from Hannibal in my latest game that's a nice one too, but I rarely go for Theology since I don't tend to get many prophets with my pyramids strat. Angkor Wat and Uni of Sankore similarly are less important to me.

    I always seem to build the Eiffel Tower too because it's on the way to space techs (radio) and there isn't much to build until after rocketry for other cities.
     
  7. popejubal

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    I tend to skip Oracle since it is so insanely expensive for what you get.

    What? Insanely expensive at 150 hammers? You bet!

    I also have to sink 100 :science: into Poly, 60 :science: into Priesthood and maybe even 50 :science: into Mysticism. I'd rather research Bronze Working, Masonry, Animal Husbandry, Wheel, Pottery, Agriculture and maybe Fishing/Sailing first and only go after the religious techs when I am aiming at etiher Literature or Philosophy.

    As does everyone else, I love the Pyramids. My only question is whether I would rather have the equivalent number of hammers in Settlers, Axemen and possibly early UU's. I play on Large maps, so if I'm playing a game that will go into the modern era, I almost always grab Pentagon. A free promotion for every unit produced in every city is nothing to sneeze at. I also enjoy the Statue of Liberty on those maps as well (assuming the majority of my empire is on one continent).

    Generally, I'll only be guaranteed to grab the Great Library, National and Heroic Epics, West Point, Iron Works and Oxford and Wall Street. I find that the appropriate National Wonders are more important than the World Wonders most of the time (Pyramids aside).

    If I'm going absolutely wonder-tastic, I'll also go for Temple of Artemis/Great Lighthouse and Oracle all in the same high production, high food coastal city. This assumes I have a high production, high food coastal city, of course. :)
     
  8. Brota

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    Great Wall -> Oracle -> Pyramid.

    Protection -> CoL -> Rep, makes REX so much easier. :lol:
     
  9. rtfischbeck

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    It all depends on what leader i'm playing as. Charismatic means i'll try stonehenge often. Obviously pyramids are excellent if philosophical or running a SE in general. With BTS out, i've been playing around with shwedagon paya. It's quite good as you get theocracy w/o having to touch the religous path other than meditation, and you also get early access to free religion if the diplomatic situation is tricky early on.
     
  10. Figaro

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    I like the Pyramids more for the Great Engineers they produce than the actual effect of the wonder. You won't be able to produce any other Engineer GP points till you get to Metal Casting (Forges) or Mathematics (Hanging Gardens), so if you want an early Great Engineer the Pyramids are vital. Why is a Great Engineer so good? Because you can then use him to rush build any other wonder you like (at least for the first half of the game). Why choose between the Pyramids/Parthenon when you could have both?
     
  11. MrCynical

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    Stonehenge I'll build fairly often for the quick culture boost in new cities if I'm not playing a creative civ. Gives the city a break to grow between settlers as well. The Oracle isn't bad either, but becomes difficult to get at high level. Dirt cheap though. The Colossus is generally easy to get even at high level, so I often pick up that one as well. Extra commerce is always handy.

    Unless you're running a specialist economy I find the Pyramids far too expensive to be worth it. OK great engineer points are nice, but the cost is huge and early enough to seriously damage your civ. The temple of artemis isn't bad for an early GP boost. The other early great wonders I tend to ignore. Chichen Itza is plain useless, the parthenon isn't that impressive and gets built far too fast.
     
  12. obsolete

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    MrCynical, recently I've had a more better affection for temple of artemis. It's not so much the trade-routes issue, but the free priest also which comes with it. I tend to love priests.

    But I think, the all round GP boost is GL. You get GP from BOTH the library itself, and each scientist correct? Now, compare that to the Great Wall, 250 hammer investment, and you only get 1 lousy gpp total.

    Naturally, wonders shouldn't be based just on their pts, but I think I'm making my point (no pun intended).
     
  13. Good Omens

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    I generally shoot for the Oracle, especially if I end up with Marble nearby, but I think I'm going to change that. The research flash is nice, but not necessarily worth the techs you need to get it. Plus Great Prophets are not my favorite. Better to go for Great Library.

    I'm trying to move away from Wonders anyway...I'm too much of a Wonder whore.
     
  14. manu-fan

    manu-fan Emperor

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    Well,

    Thanks for all the comments. They've given me more food for thought and ideas to use.

    Anyway, in my latest game as Isabella, I got Oracle, Parthenon, and Collosus, and then thought - what the heck - I'll give the Pyramids a go, as Madrid has pretty good hammer output, and some forests to chop and no one else has got it yet. And I got it!

    It's made a big difference research wise. Early Representation is great.

    Cheers.
     
  15. Uncle E

    Uncle E Long time Prince player

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    Moved up to monarch recently and I don't go for any wonders right now ... more focused on building troops and capturing holy cities and wonders :)
     
  16. popejubal

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    I am also a big fan of Frob2900's custom wonder. It gives 1 or more free cities that are already partially developed.

    Horde of Axemen

     
  17. Sisiutil

    Sisiutil All Leader Challenger

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    It's very situational for me, depending upon the leader, the map, resources, opponents, and how the game unfolds. The victory condition I'm pursuing is also a factor.

    Anyone who's followed the ALC games knows that my favourite wonder is the Great Library. Why? Partially because of the science boost from the 2 free scientists, but mainly because of the help it provides in winning the Liberalism race. I largely agree with popejubal, the Oracle is very expensive in many respects compared to its payoff. Liberalism, though, and the techs on the way to it are are all extremely valuable. Also, the GL is a wonder that benefits just about any leader trait combination, game play style, and victory condition. And I can usually manage it because the AI seems to make Alphabet and Literature low priority techs.

    (Side note: it's interesting how the Great Library has almost always been a key wonder in every version of Civilization, even as its effects have varied.)

    I'll sometimes pursue the Pyramids if I'm playing as a Philosophical leader and I have a source of stone and several forests for chopping. Dang, those things are expensive! I also have to be running a SE, which is not a given just because I have a Philosophical leader. I run a CE with Elizabeth, for example, and sometimes I simply make do with one or two highly-productive GP farms.

    I kind of like nabbing the Colossus now and then. If I can get Metal Casting fairly early and I have several seafood tiles worked by my cities, the required forge and a source of copper make it a pretty cheap wonder to build. I rarely get a Great Merchant from it, however--I tend to have bigger GP priorities (usually GS for the Liberalism path, as noted above).

    Aside from those, rarely pursue many of the other early game wonders. Hammers are scarce in the early game, and I usually have other things to spend them on. Building military units and capturing wonders often seems like a better alternative.

    When I play as a Spiritual leader (the Egyptians being my favourites there), I like to build the University of Sankore and the Spiral Minaret and spam cheap temples to reap their benefits. Obviously a source of stone is a priority (War Chariots can be very helpful in obtaining one). Computers is, obviously, a low priority in those games, as it obsoletes both wonders, as well as Angkor Wat if I built that.

    I usually try to build the Taj Mahal and the Statue of Liberty in the mid-game, but I don't shed many tears if I fail. They're both very nice, but not they're game-breakers if I succeed or fail. Mainly, they assist with finishing the game a little earlier for a slightly-higher score. And as with any wonder, the game is easier to win if I have it and the AI doesn't.

    In the late game, the Pentagon is attractive if I'm pursuing a conquest or domination win, while the Three Gorges Dam and the Space Elevator are handy (though not essential) for a space race victory.

    I'm not saying I'd never build any of the other wonders--well, maybe Chichen Itza--but special conditions have to exist for me to consider pursuing them.
     
  18. kniteowl

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    All wonders are situational isn't it?

    For me I only build a wonder if I can get it cheap.

    I only go for Oracle if I Start with Myst Tech

    I only go for Colossus if I have lots of Coastal cities And etc...

    Although for some reason Whenever I play a game where I never build wonders I tend to win alot easier through war... so wonders really arn't everything... except for that annoying Statute or Zeus with a Protective Leader you're attacking especially Qin... :S...
     
  19. obsolete

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    If liberalism is your main goal, and you are trying to get it at very high levels, then oracle becomes extremely powerful. Not only can it propel you far ahead early, but it also prevents other AIs from getting the jump on you. Furthermore, when an AI misses his big jump, he also can not trade that jump to the others letting everyone else take the lead on you as well.
     
  20. MangleMeElmo

    MangleMeElmo Proud War Criminal

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    My favorite wonders: The Great Library, The Spiral Minaret, and the University of Sankore. Getting 2 out of 3 of these makes the game a lot easier.
     

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