White couple arrested for pulling gun on black woman

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It might not be a regular occurrence, but gun crimes and deaths are a rather regular occurrence in the U.S., compared to the rest of the western world. That's just one of the sideeffects of having such liberal gun laws. Any argument involving people with guns can escalate to .. well, death. Given how racially segregated the U.S. is, it's not surprising that tensions can often flare up, unfortunately.
 

I mean... the white woman even apologized to them, despite being called "ignorant" (sic, what does this even mean in this context...) and "b****". Then they had to continue and do stuff like get the plate number for whatever dumb reason.
We can't stop here, this is bat-stupid country.
 
Where I live if someone bumps into you both parties say "sorry" about 80% of the time
Exactly. That's how Canada rolls, most of the time. And normally the person who was bumped into will say "that's okay" or "no problem" after the "sorries". The words tend to be spoken quietly and calmly, and the situation does not escalate.

There have been times when someone has bumped into me, apologized, and then asked, "Are you okay?" because they want to be sure I wasn't hurt. If I'm carrying stuff (as happened a few times before my walker became my extra pair of arms and legs and I was using canes - which are really awkward when you have groceries to carry as everything needs to be balanced), there were a couple of times when they offered to help me.

Those were nice, considerate people, and it's a shame that there are others who are not considerate.

That said, I have felt irritation at being bumped or pushed past and the other person did not apologize. I don't go into full BS!C mode, though. It's annoying, especially so if it does result in being hurt by being pushed against something like a wall, or off-balance. Balance is so important when you're using a mobility aid, because you can't react as quickly - especially if there's not much room, or the surface you're on is uneven or slippery.

So what happens the other 20% of the time?
My guess. 19% no incident happens and one or both parties assume they’re rude. 1% physical altercations.
That's essentially it. Sometimes people exchange angry words. This can happen when someone's blocking your way and won't move after you've said "excuse me, please" (which is polite Canadian for "you're in my way, please move"). If they don't move, I assume they might not have heard me as my speaking voice isn't that loud, and repeat myself louder, but still politely.

If they still won't move, I just tell them that I would like to get past them. If that doesn't work (it's unusual for things to get to this point), I am past annoyed and beginning to get angry. Please note that these are situations where they have room to move. I don't.

Things got really annoying the time a couple of women decided to stop for a gossip in the aisle of the grocery store and were blocking the view of the shelf. The custom here is to move when you notice someone looking at the shelves, especially when they say "excuse me". On the occasions when I don't have a choice except to move between someone and the shelf when they're looking at it, I always say "sorry" for blocking their view and move as quickly as I can.

These two didn't, after repeated requests. Finally I just said, "You are blocking me from getting the things I want. This is not an appropriate place to gossip, so would you please go somewhere else, like a bench or the restaurant." That's not actually as rude as it sounds, btw, as they had been standing there for about 20 minutes, while I was circling that area of the store trying to find what I was looking for (peanut butter) and not finding it; a stock clerk couldn't find it either, and then I realized I couldn't find it because they were standing in front of it - and would not move more than an inch, which was clearly not enough.

Thing is, though, at no time did the situation become violent. I was getting pretty exasperated by that time, as these two had bumped into me earlier and knocked something from my basket onto the floor - no apology, no offer to help pick it up like anyone else would have done. So they were already on my <censored> list.

I realize that this must sound crazy to some people here, but I'm describing Canadian Grocery Store Manners 101. The bit about blocking someone's view of a shelf and getting out of the way as fast as possible and apologizing also applies in other places as well, like bookstores, libraries, and many other places where you have people browsing what's on the shelf in front of them and someone blocks the way either accidentally or is passing through because there's no other way.

(I've been told by some Americans that they never say "please, thank you, or sorry" because it sounds like begging or groveling - and saying those words would hurt their pride. I can't wrap my mind around that attitude.)


I mean... the white woman even apologized to them, despite being called "ignorant" (sic, what does this even mean in this context...) and "b****". Then they had to continue and do stuff like get the plate number for whatever dumb reason.
We can't stop here, this is bat-stupid country.
"Ignorant" has multiple meanings, depending on context. One is "doesn't know this information" and another is "stupid/idiot". Yet another is "hostile". The teenager likely meant it as a combination of the second and third examples.

They wanted the license plate number to tell the cops so they could find and arrest the couple.

I found it interesting in a :rolleyes: way that it was the mother who was throwing around threats and racial epithets like "yo' white ass" when she was screaming that the woman in the car was racist. There were other epithets she used, so I guess this only works one way?

If someone could post the video I linked (I don't know how to post a news site video), those here who haven't checked out the links can see the couple's side of the story. It turns out that the mother had two daughters with her, and by the time the gun was pulled there were numerous people coming toward the couple in the car, and the woman genuinely felt threatened.
 
(I've been told by some Americans that they never say "please, thank you, or sorry" because it sounds like begging or groveling - and saying those words would hurt their pride. I can't wrap my mind around that attitude.)

Lol yeah, in midwestern fast food joints instead of saying "you're welcome" they just grunt an "UH HUH" like some uncivilized slob. No smiles even. And don't even sell fries supreme at taco bells, which is an even bigger crime
 
Lol yeah, in midwestern fast food joints instead of saying "you're welcome" they just grunt an "UH HUH" like some uncivilized slob. No smiles even. And don't even sell fries supreme at taco bells, which is an even bigger crime
Ah, yes, "You're welcome" is also not part of the vocabulary because of some antisocial reason.

Sadly that has crept into Canada. I've had clerks neglect "please", "thank you", and "you're welcome" and instead they substituted "there you go" when handing me my bag or giving change.

I'm always tempted to ask, "Go where?" "There you go" conveys the attitude of "here's your stuff, now go away."

In my experience, the clerk is supposed to say "please" when stating the amount the customer owes; it's not begging, but just ordinary courtesy. And when the customer makes payment, the clerk is supposed to say "thank you" and whatever other phrase the store has said they should say, ie. "please come again." Again, it's not groveling, just ordinary courtesy.
 
I don't mind people not following the exact pleasantries formula.. as long as they are pleasant and use more or less civilized parlance instead of grunting back at me. I don't care if somebody doesn't say "please" when telling me how much something is. You can usually tell if somebody is actually trying to be polite or just doesn't give a f. Working those jobs can be stressful, so I don't expect everyone to always address me properly. Just like.. treat me like a human, yo. Don't grunt at me, what the hell
 
Manners is something that should be taught early on so you're not a jerk when you're older, even if you're working in a crappy fastfood joint. Suck it up buttercup and be nice to your customers, they might be from Canada
 
Manners is something that should be taught early on so you're not a jerk when you're older, even if you're working in a crappy fastfood joint. Suck it up buttercup and be nice to your customers, they might be from Canada
Yep.

Waaay back in the dark ages of the mid-'80s, I took up 3-D needlepoint as a hobby. A couple of years later, I ran out of people to give stuff to, and reasoned that since my skills had improved, I would try selling. So I joined a craft co-operative, and branched out to consignments in local craft stores and sold stuff myself at various craft fairs three times/year. This went on for the next 12 years, and during the off-season for typing, I was busy stitching (just ran across a bag of unsold items a couple of days ago).

Trust me, it would never occur to me not to say "please" and "thank you" and "you're welcome." You never know just what might be the reason you get repeat business from someone, even a custom order or two, because they appreciated being spoken to with courtesy and that the seller was willing to go the extra distance.

That's part of how I got fantastic word of mouth recommendations and repeat business for typing, and it's why some of my needlework designs have traveled many more thousands of miles over this planet than I have - a couple of customers bought stuff as gifts, and were delighted when I said I could make the items in any color scheme they wanted, as long as those shades were available in non-wool yarn.


There have been stores I've boycotted due to ill-mannered staff, and stores I've made a point to recommend when they have well-mannered staff. Credit where it's due - I remember talking to the manager of the grocery store one time, saying I wanted to make a comment about one of the clerks. His immediate thought was that I was going to complain. He was surprised and pleased when I said I wanted to commend the clerk for her courtesy.
 
I'm going to have to change my vote in 'where in the world' thread to Canada. It is now my goal to visit Canada, have one interaction with a store clerk, and judge the entire country on it.

On a lighter note, 25+ years ago when I worked at a gas station, I did say 'Thank you' for EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION. Sorry, but certainly lost the enthusiasm of that thank you after doing it hundreds of times a day for a couple of years, I started sounding like a robot. A robot taking that job from me would probably be a good thing for everyone involved, including myself.
 
I'm going to have to change my vote in 'where in the world' thread to Canada. It is now my goal to visit Canada, have one interaction with a store clerk, and judge the entire country on it.
I'm pretty sure that none of the Canadians posting in this thread have done that. We're relating individual anecdotes. The fact is that all of my in-person encounters with clerks when I was in the U.S. ranged from neutral to friendly to a curious "what IS that, no, don't take your money out of it, let me keep it!" (from a clerk in Omak, Washington when I paid for a souvenir spoon with dimes taken from a Penny Pincher - a plastic device used to hold the equivalent of a roll of coins in whatever denominations applied). She was honestly impressed by the thing, and a bit disappointed when told she couldn't keep it - but back then, the bank was touchy about letting people use these things and we were expected to return them when we had a roll of coins. I'd brought a few with me to hold my American coins, to help separate them from my Canadian currency. This was back in the mid-'80s.

The very worst in-person encounters I've ever had with clerks have been right here in Red Deer. The stuff I said about courtesy words are based on conversations with American posters on other forums, years ago.

well thats a shame, this incident has really upset my optimism for a peaceful future led by women
:huh:

Obviously not all women are peaceful. However, many are. Kinda like how not all men are the same. Imagine that.
 
After thinking about it I will say that pulling a gun was completely unnecessary. She was already inside the car. If she was to the point of fear that she was willing to kill, then she would have stayed inside the car and just run them over if necessary. The only reason I can see for her to get out of the car and threaten with a gun, is because she really wanted to either, a) show off, and/or play tough guy/gal; or b) create an opportunity to shoot someone where she could say it was justified. I'm actually really interested to hear what @Commodore thinks about this subject, since I'm not a gun guy.

I'll add that based on the premise that the woman with the gun bumped into the other woman's daughter, their reaction of filming and yelling at her was extreme at best, and goading at worst. People bumping into you is not the kind of thing that warrants screaming matches in the parking lot. Maybe she should have apologized, but if she didn't, moving on with your day was the best option in those circumstances.
 
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After thinking about it I will say that pulling a gun was completely unnecessary. She was already inside the car. If she was to the point of fear that she was willing to kill, then she would have stayed inside the car and just run them over if necessary. The only reason I can see for her to get out of the car and threaten with a gun, is because she really wanted to either, a) show off, and/or play tough guy/gal; or b) create an opportunity to shoot someone where she could say it was justified. I'm actually really interested to hear what @Commodore thinks about this subject, since I'm not a gun guy.

I'll add that based on the premise that the woman with the gun bumped into the other woman's daughter, their reaction of filming and yelling at her was extreme at best, and goading at worst. People bumping into you is not the kind of thing that warrants screaming matches in the parking lot. Maybe she should have apologized, but if she didn't, moving on with your day was the best option in those circumstances.
She clearly did not want to run anyone over. By that time, the mother was beating on the back window of the car - which is an aggressive action.
 
I'm going to have to change my vote in 'where in the world' thread to Canada. It is now my goal to visit Canada, have one interaction with a store clerk, and judge the entire country on it.

People who judge clerks badly on superficials are usually garbage.
 
People who judge clerks badly on superficials are usually garbage.
Why just clerks? Most people judge other people on equally superficial things. Personally, I don't care if a clerk smiles at me or not. I do care if they're courteous, or if they're careless (ie. putting heavy stuff on top of bread, bagging food with cleaning supplies, etc.).

Maybe we should all embrace the teachings of Surak. That way, nobody would have to smile or ever worry about courtesy, because that would be a display of emotions. And since small talk is annoying, adopting Vulcan ways would eliminate that since Vulcans don't do small talk.
 
This whole incident reminds me of what Flying_Pig (wish he was still around) said about his time serving in Aden and Northern Ireland as a paratrooper - that if you have a gun, in a non-combat situation, it is your responsibility to take every possible step to defuse and deescalate a situation.
 
I'd put clerks in with wait staff and service positions of all sorts. However, clerks get paid pretty mediocre for the amount they make without even the incentive of working for tip. I'd give them extra credit especially if they work off an interstate. Crappy 12 hour round-the-clock swing shifts, unreliable coworkers, petty bosses. And those are just. the. worst. customers in totality. Gas stations with liquor are currently the main nexus of the stupid and maskless around here. All the fun of living in a "food desert" and needing to pick something up, not a lot of near options without blowing the better part of an hour round trip in the car.

Edit: I really don't get it, why would they care if somebody is from Canada? Uh huh, isn't a rude response here. It can be, but it's a nod. One is not due more than that. Americans spend plenty of time being friendly, even in the rusty belt. Bringing your own manners to somebody else's home is ugly American level arrogant. Trains and the awkwardness of eye contact made me sad in London, talkative rube and all. But I was out of place, not them. Judging them as rude would be out of line on my part, not theirs. So there was no temptation to move. Probably just as well, there's no chance in hell I could afford that company for long.
 
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