White couple arrested for pulling gun on black woman

[TheMeInTeam]

How are you going to shoot an unloaded gun?

You won't. But belief that a gun is unloaded is not 100% confirmation that the gun is unloaded. And the advice "don't point a gun unless you're willing to fire it" is good. Both for the safety of relatively non-threatening victims of said gun and for the owner of the gun. It's an extreme measure justified by imminent threat and not much else. An annoying woman shouting at you over a stupid dispute is not an imminent threat, and those actions do not justify assaulting her.

 

[Berzerker]

I have a gun and I cant think of a way to carry it without pointing at something I dont want to shoot. I dont want to shoot a home invader but I will be pointing a gun at them before I make that decision. And that gun will be loaded.

You won't. But belief that a gun is unloaded is not 100% confirmation that the gun is unloaded. And the advice "don't point a gun unless you're willing to fire it" is good. Both for the safety of relatively non-threatening victims of said gun and for the owner of the gun. It's an extreme measure justified by imminent threat and not much else. An annoying woman shouting at you over a stupid dispute is not an imminent threat, and those actions do not justify assaulting her.

So confirm it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Point it down? The ground may well not be an intended target, but it's the best unintended target.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I have a gun and I cant think of a way to carry it without pointing at something I dont want to shoot. I dont want to shoot a home invader but I will be pointing a gun at them before I make that decision. And that gun will be loaded.

If it's in a holster, it's not pointing at anyone else, is it?

There have been instances where tragic mistakes have been made - it's one reason why guns are problematic on TV and movie sets and also in theatre. When I read about what happened to Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow (he was killed by a gun when the props person responsible for said gun neglected to confirm that it was safe to use as the script called for), I couldn't help thinking back to the time when I worked on a theatre production of West Side Story. A gun is used in that play, and there must have been some degree of safety training given the actor who had to use it, and some other arrangement to store it. It wasn't among the rest of the props that I was responsible for (I was head of the props crew). We had home-made switchblades in that show as well - couldn't use real ones or even convincing-looking replicas as they're illegal here. One of the set people rigged them, and the actors were told to leave them alone when not using them for tech/dress rehearsals and performances.

Edit: Now that I think back to West Side Story, I remember that we had a mid-run rehearsal, to iron out any issues the director noticed creeping in, and the gun was not used. The actor came out on stage during the shooting scene, pointed his finger at the character he was supposed to kill, and said, "Bang!". I guess whoever had charge of it hadn't been told about the rehearsal (similar to a dress rehearsal, so it should have been used).

 

[Berzerker]

Point it down? The ground may well not be an intended target, but it's the best unintended target.

If it's in a holster, it's not pointing at anyone else, is it?

My feet are down there

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I have a gun and I cant think of a way to carry it without pointing at something I dont want to shoot. I dont want to shoot a home invader but I will be pointing a gun at them before I make that decision. And that gun will be loaded.



So confirm it.

Want to and willing to are different standards. I don't want to shoot anybody, ever, unless it's in a video game. I'm willing to shoot a home invader who would otherwise shoot me instead, but I would much prefer to go my entire existence without this scenario ever occurring.

 

[El_Machinae]

I tape my gun to the back of my head, pointing up. It's covered with a wig. I'll use the John Maclean technique if I need it.

 

[Berzerker]

Point it at your head, then. Assume it's unloaded and pull the trigger frequently just to be sure.

I dont have to assume, I can confirm it

but even an unloaded gun demands respect if pointed at someone picking a fight

 

[Farm Boy]

My feet are down there

True, true. Perhaps you should stick to long guns. I point mine down and never directly at my feet. If that's a challenge, maybe go with a boar spear.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Oh, don't be a snowflake.
Identifying them by race was simple and useful shorthand under circumstances.
I'm sure there are people who'd cry "racism!" if situation was reversed, but you don't have to become one of them.

I'm not special enough to be a snowflake I'm also not crying racism.

But sure that's one way of looking at it, and if it had been worded like "the white woman" or something maybe I'd buy it (or, you know, "the one with the gun"), but I find "the whites" to be indicative of how certain types of people seem to view absolutely everything. The same type of people who are allegedly commited to ending racism, but seemingly see a person's race as their primary characteristic to the point of hardly being able to see anything else.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

You won't. But belief that a gun is unloaded is not 100% confirmation that the gun is unloaded. And the advice "don't point a gun unless you're willing to fire it" is good. Both for the safety of relatively non-threatening victims of said gun and for the owner of the gun. It's an extreme measure justified by imminent threat and not much else. An annoying woman shouting at you over a stupid dispute is not an imminent threat, and those actions do not justify assaulting her.

"don't point a gun unless you're willing to fire it" may be good advice, but "and therefore anyone pointing a gun is prepared to fire it" is not a corollary.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I'm not special enough to be a snowflake I'm also not crying racism.

But sure that's one way of looking at it, and if it had been worded like "the white woman" or something maybe I'd buy it (or, you know, "the one with the gun"), but I find "the whites" to be indicative of how certain types of people seem to view absolutely everything. The same type of people who are allegedly commited to ending racism, but seemingly see a person's race as their primary characteristic to the point of hardly being able to see anything else.

And are you for ending structual, systemic racism that exists in a white supremacist society like America?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

"don't point a gun unless you're willing to fire it" may be good advice, but "and therefore anyone pointing a gun is prepared to fire it" is not a corollary.

Good advice doesn't necessarily imply good behavior, true. Still probably a good idea to behave as if a person pointing it is willing to fire, however.

And are you for ending structual, systemic racism that exists in a white supremacist society like America?

lol

 

[Cloud_Strife]

lol

Do you take issue with any of my quoted post, fellow traveller?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Do you take issue with any of my quoted post, fellow traveller?

It was a good joke, so I acknowledged it as such!

 

[BCheek]

Anyone know how many times an African Americans pulls a gun on another African American or on a White American? Ever wonder how those numbers compare per capita and why the media only focuses on the statistical anomalies?

 

[cardgame]

Anyone know how I can justify my racism?

 

[Farm Boy]

lol

Anyone know how I can justify my racism?

Pain works best. Everything else is just playin.

 

[Berzerker]

Anyone know how I can justify my racism?

looting white owned businesses is necessary collateral damage

 

[BCheek]

Anyone know how I can justify my racism?

I'd say muh facts and science but some people only believe in those things selectively so I guess we're left with nature vs. nurture and the chicken and the egg.