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White Lives Matter Rally Includes NeoNazis, Confederate flags, Hitler Mustaches, and Goosestepping.

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And Hispanic residents hiding in fear.



http://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/56076...roud-to-be-white-and-hate-is-not-the-solution

David Greene traveled to Shelbyville, Tenn., to see how the White Lives Matter rally was experienced by two very different people in the small town.

I just got back from Shelbyville, Tenn. It's a town of 20,000 people not far from Nashville. And on Saturday, it was the site of a White Lives Matter rally. White nationalists and neo-Nazis put it together. This isn't new. There have been quite a few of these events lately. There was the deadly standoff in Charlottesville and the confrontations in Gainesville, Fla., and Berkeley, Calif. And we wanted to explore where these powerful emotions are coming from, so we covered this rally a little differently. We spent time with two people in Shelbyville Saturday as all this played out. Let me take you to two scenes less than a mile apart. One was a white, brick building with a sign on the window - fresh tortillas here.

MIGUEL GONZALEZ: Would you like to come into the store?

GREENE: Yeah, thank you very much.

This is Gonzalez Tortilleria. The owner, Miguel Gonzalez, brought us into the room where it all happens. Three women were pushing a mountain of dough through a machine. Miguel and his team got here earlier than usual, and that's because this wasn't a normal day. He wanted the tortillas made so he could get his staff home by mid-morning. They were on edge about what was about to happen in their town.

GONZALEZ: Today, we start about 5 o'clock in the morning.

GREENE: Wow. Why - why so early?

GONZALEZ: Well, some of my co-workers - and if they feel confident to be here later on, I respect their decision to go home and stay with their family. I cannot convince them that everything is going to be safe.

GREENE: Miguel's employees are part of the diverse community in Shelbyville. It's predominantly white. There are many immigrants, and the community has become a welcoming place for new refugees. This is one reason the White Lives Matter groups decided to descend on Shelbyville. Now, Miguel, for his part, is 63. He came to the U.S. in 1972. He worked in GM plants for years in California. He became a citizen, eventually moved to Tennessee and started this business. He said the U.S. has given his six kids a lot of opportunity.

You're proud of this country right now.

GONZALEZ: I am, I am, and all my kids are. You know, I got a son who work for the sheriff department here in Shelbyville. I have a son who joined the Army. He went to Afghanistan.

GREENE: Your son is in the sheriff's department in Shelbyville.

GONZALEZ: Yes, yes, he work for the sheriff department.

GREENE: So does he have to work today with...

GONZALEZ: No, he work in the juvenile detention center.

GREENE: So will he be pulled in if there's any violence or anything to happen?

GONZALEZ: I'm not sure, but the whole police is similar.

GREENE: Would you worry about him if he had to go out there today?

GONZALEZ: Yes.

GREENE: Miguel, though, said he was not worried about himself becoming a target. He was going to wait this day out running the register at his business. His other son, the Army vet, was going to come over and keep an eye on him.

(SOUNDBITE OF BAGPIPE MUSIC)

GREENE: The other scene was a bank parking lot right near town square, the rally point for White Lives Matter.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: (Shouting) Forward.

GREENE: People carrying Confederate flags and plastic riot shields were gathering and getting their marching orders.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: If you got a mask on your face, get the mask off your face.

GREENE: There were faces of hate. The guy just to our right was dressed in military fatigues, and he wore a Hitler mustache, and he was goose-stepping like a Nazi. And then there was Jessica Adkins. She's a member of one of the organizations gathered here, League of the South.

Hi, I'm David. I'm - I work with...

JESSICA ADKINS: I'm Jessica.

GREENE: It's nice to meet you, Jessica.

ADKINS: Nice to meet you, thank you.

GREENE: Good to meet you.

She's petite, in her 30s. She had a Confederate flag around her neck and a riot shield. She drove here from southern Virginia, and she said there is nothing wrong with coming out in a public space to honor her race and culture.

ADKINS: We just want to be left alone. That's it.

GREENE: Left alone.

ADKINS: Yeah. That's...

GREENE: Who is not leaving you alone right now? Like, if - when you say I want to be left alone, like, what is...

ADKINS: Well, that was, you know, back in, you know, the Confederate war. You know, you had...

GREENE: And what about today?

ADKINS: Well, today you have people who, you know, I'm a Christian, you know, Christian background, so I have virtues and values. And things that they are promoting out, you know, like on commercials and stuff like that, you know, that stuff's not right to me. I mean, I'm not...

GREENE: Like what? Like, what's something that really bothers you?

ADKINS: You know, the LBGT stuff. I don't agree with that stuff. I mean, I don't hate those people, but if they want to be that, that's fine, but don't shove it down my throat, you know? And as far as multiculturalism - you know, every commercial you see on TV, it shows that multiculturalism. Why? Why is that? What - are they trying to paint a picture (laughter)?

GREENE: I want to ask you, what is the difference, in your mind, between not liking multiculturalism and racism?

ADKINS: It's totally different.

GREENE: How? Explain it for me because I...

ADKINS: I mean, you don't have to - I mean, like I said, the League of the South is not out to destroy another race. They are out to preserve our race. What's wrong with that? I'm not embarrassed to be white. I'm proud of what my ancestors made me and I'm proud of what my ancestors did because they fought for my state, my homeland. You know, they created me (laughter). I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. There's no problem whatsoever with being proud to be white.

GREENE: Jessica now had to get going. The line for the security checkpoint was moving. Jessica and her group went through and then made their way to a street corner barricaded by police. A drone was hovering overhead, and snipers were peering down from city hall. There were chants that conjured Nazi ideology.

UNIDENTIFIED CROWD: (Chanting) Blood and soil, blood and soil, blood and soil.

GREENE: Counter-protesters were across the street behind their own barricade, and they were yelling back.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #3: You're not locals. You are idiots.

GREENE: After the rally was over, we wanted to check back in with Miguel Gonzalez to see how the day went for him.

GONZALEZ: (Laughter, speaking Spanish).

GREENE: He was alone behind a cash register. It was a quiet day for him. He just wanted to know how the rally went. And it was interesting because I started chatting with him about one of the themes that Jessica brought up, this fear of intrusion from the outside. It was a concern not entirely unfamiliar to Miguel. He has seen refugees coming to Shelbyville, and he's welcomed them. He has also thought about the benefits they receive as soon as they arrive, like access to Medicaid.

GONZALEZ: I'm a citizen now. I'm retired. I - but I already put into the fund for my pension for my Medicare. I'm not using it now, but I'm hoping when I get old I get some benefits. But I've been contributing already with 45 years of my life in this country. But people come in from outside, zero seniority in this country, and already have all these benefits, Medicaid. So it is something that the government needs to be careful, but hate is not the solution.

GREENE: Miguel Gonzalez and Jessica Adkins, who were less than a mile apart from one another this weekend in Shelbyville, Tenn.



Looks like you can't have White Lives Matter without White supremacists.
 

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Looks like you can't have White Lives Matter without White supremacists.

Im looking at photage of the event right now. And the MRM, "islamophobe" New Atheist academics and very gay faux-goose-stepping Brits in drag appear to be curiously underrepresentend.
But i'm sure that's just a fluke.
 
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White lives already matter. Or white lives don't face racial profiling by cops. Hence why there is no need for a "white lives matter" rally and the only ones that would do it are white supremacists.
 

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He should have asked Jessica to define multiculturalism, and then asked her which European country her ancestors were originally from.

It always annoys the Canadian white supremacists when they brag about how many centuries their ancestors have been in Canada, and you ask them if they have First Nations ancestors. They say no, of course not, and it never occurs to them that they're descended from immigrants. There's a really arrogant regular poster on CBC.ca who has openly boasted about how "superior" she is because she's "Old-Stock Canadian" (aka white British ancestors who came to Canada prior to 1900, preferably 1850 or earlier). Since my grandfather didn't get to Canada until the early 1920s, that means that even though I was born here, my dad was born here, and my grandmother was born here (first in her family to be born in this country, in 1911), we're just upstarts.

But at least we don't have a problem being multicultural upstarts.
 

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Republicans love Confederate flags /s
 

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It seems to be a common thing that all "Lives Matter"-movements share, that they're full of terrible people without whom the world would likely be a better place.

"No Lives Matter" being the exception of course, hail Cthulhu.
 

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It seems to be a common thing that all "Lives Matter"-movements share, that they're full of terrible people without whom the world would likely be a better place.

"No Lives Matter" being the exception of course, hail Cthulhu.

Equating people who protest against murder with people who protest against protests against murders. :rolleyes:
 

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Equating people who protest against murder with people who protest against protests against murders. :rolleyes:
Pretending as if everybody who is part of BLM protests against murder. :rolleyes:
 

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Pretending as if everybody who is part of BLM protests against murder. :rolleyes:

Ignoring the difference between "full of" and none, committing the mortal sins of strawman, false equivalence and implied false dichotomy. :rolleyes:
 

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Ignoring the difference between "full of" and none, committing the mortal sins of strawman, false equivalence and implied false dichotomy. :rolleyes:
No, you were the one doing that by pretending as if I were comparing people who protest against murder with people who protest against the protests against murder, when in reality, I have just said that all "Lives Matter" seem to be full of terrible people, comparing the terrible people in both movements, not the ones in BLM who actually protest against police violence when it happens. If not 91.73% of all BLM-Supporters were terrible people who are in it for outrage and personal victimhood, then there would be no comparison.
 

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All full of terrible people implies equal or similar percentages of terrible people, which simply isn't the case if one of those movements is protesting an actual problem and not some white genocide hysteria.
Also, 91,37% ? Seriously ?
 

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Yes, 91,37%, I did the math. Was 82,89% at the end of 2016, so the terrible people are becoming taking over even more.

And no, it does not imply an equal or similar percentage, you're reaching to maintain the illusion that you were right, when in reality you've interpreted way too much into my statement.
 

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White lives do matter though.

The virile hostility that people have to this very concept proves its necessity.

Well, yes, they do matter. Who disputes this ?
Are white people under attack somewhere ? Are they being singled out by the American justice system ? Are white being systematically oppressed because of their whiteness ?
 

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White lives do matter though.

The virile hostility that people have to this very concept proves its necessity.

I betcha the median person at these rallies cannot articulate the founding concern of the BLM movement. They're at WLM because they're mad at BLM.
 

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I betcha the median person at these rallies cannot articulate the founding concern of the BLM movement. They're at WLM because they're mad at BLM.

In many cases they are at WLM because they're literal Nazis.

Who disputes that black lives matter?

Judging from the amount of hate BLM gets (you can see it on this board for example, like in your post where you say it's mostly comprised of terrible people "in it for outrage and personal victimhood", whatever that means exactly) plenty of people dispute it. Of course, it's more a 'revealed preference' inference from societal outcomes. Society very obviously considers the lives of black people to matter less than those of white people.

Yeah, in Africa. And on social media.

:lol: Ever been to Africa? I have, I can tell you, white people are not "under attack" there. AT least, no more than black people are. And arguably less.

No, but black people aren't either.

Yeah, of course not! There are massive racial disparities at every level of society because black people inherently inferior to other people, not because they're systematically oppressed by racism.
 

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Well, yes, they do matter. Who disputes this ?
Are white people under attack somewhere ? Are they being singled out by the American justice system ? Are white being systematically oppressed because of their whiteness ?

White people and our collective identity are both being attacked because of our whiteness, yeah.

I betcha the median person at these rallies cannot articulate the founding concern of the BLM movement. They're at WLM because they're mad at BLM.

I betcha BLM isn't even that important to them, really.

In many cases they are at WLM because they're literal Nazis.

Can you put "Nazis" in scare-quotes next time to emphasize the sp0000000kyness of your boogeyman? Thanks in advance, champ! <3
 
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