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Who Are You Picking to Win the Superbowl?

Discussion in 'Sports Talk' started by Sommerswerd, Jan 20, 2020.

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Who are you picking to win the Superbowl?

Poll closed Feb 1, 2020.
  1. Kansas City Chiefs

    60.0%
  2. San Francisco 49ers

    40.0%
  1. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    You only get to pick ONE (1) Team!
    :yup:

    No saying lame things to try and pick both teams so you can claim "See I was right!" or "We won!" or "I'm happy with the result" regardless of who wins... that's lame :thumbsdown:... By all means explain/defend your pick but don't hedge, because that's lame :thumbsdown:

    Lame things people say for the Super Bowl (to try to justify picking both teams):

    1. I WANT Team X to win but I THINK Team Y will win = Lame :thumbsdown:

    2. I HAVE TO cheer for Team X (because my cousin, best friend etc is affiliated, or I have some other "connection" to the team) but I also WANT TO see Team Y win because (I'm from the town, or near it or have some other "connection" to the team) = Lame :thumbsdown:

    3. I THINK Team X is the better team and SHOULD win but I'm PULLING FOR Team Y (because "I think XYZ player is a really good person" or "I hate so and so" or "Player XYZ is my favourite at so-and-so position" or some other reason/connection (see #1 and #2) = Lame :thumbsdown:
    4. I'm not a fan of either team so I don't care who wins... but if I have to pick I'd say (see #1,2 or 3) = Lame :rolleyes:

    Just pick ONE team
     
  2. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Quad B

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    The 49ers just demonstrated that they are capable of playing the kind of game the Titans specialize in...and the Chiefs punched the Titans' tickets home without seeming to break a sweat. The Seahawks would have a better chance than the 49ers, because taking Mahomes out with a dirty hit is the only hope, and that's more the Seahawks style. The 49ers only score 35 points in a game once in a while, the Chiefs at any time might put up 35 in a quarter.
     
  3. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish By any means necessary

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    Statically speaking, the vast majority of Super Bowls are won by whichever team has the better defense which is definitely the 49ers. The 49ers defense is vastly superior to what the Chiefs have. In Super Bowl 48 the Broncos had the best offense ever, before or since, and the Seahawks absolutely humiliated them. While I don’t expect the 49ers to do that, one of these teams is built like a championship team far more than the other.

    Also very fitting that the Pats have had more Lombardi trophy’s than the 49ers for only one season, and the very next season they (49ers) correct that problem.

    tl;dr the 49ers can force Mahomes to get rid of the ball before he’s ready because of their dline, something the Texans and Titans can’t say.

    edit: also: There is little question which of these QBs are better (even then Jimmy G has been underrated), but the 49ers are as good as the Chiefs if not arguably better at every single position other than QB.

    Aaron Rodgers couldn't pull a miracle out of his hat to counter this vast power imbalance, so I don't think Mahomes can either.
     
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  4. Timsup2nothin

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    Yeah, lemme know when the 49ers pull a Tyrek Hill out of their hat...and the only tight end in the league as far as I know that is generally regarded as better than Kittle is Travis Kelce. Truth be told I don't see a single position on offense where the Chiefs aren't better than the 49ers, and some of them by large margins. Defensively I'd say that the only 49er on the back end who could displace a starter in KC is Richard Sherman. For the front seven, KC's defense doesn't have to be as good as the 49ers man for man, they just have to be good enough to stop the 49ers...while the 49ers have to be good enough to stop the Chiefs, and that's a whole different ball game.
     
  5. Light Cleric

    Light Cleric ElCee/LC/El Cid

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    I just have a hard time believing anyone can hang with Kermit for 4 quarters. Niners are good and will put up some points but that Chiefs offense is bonkers. I could see like 35-24.
     
  6. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish By any means necessary

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    The 49ers set of receivers are not all-stars by any margin, but they are above league average and more than capable of putting up points, especially against a team with not a particularly good pass defense.

    I don't think the Chiefs defense can stop the 49ers offense, and I think the 49ers defense can seriously hamper the Chiefs offense. Not only are they good at stopping but they're also good at forcing turnovers, just like the Seahawks with their Super Bowl 48 championship team. Shanahan is an offensive mastermind AND he has a pretty good amount of talent to work with so they're at least as good as the Seahawks were offensively heading into that Super Bowl, and I think their front 7 is better than what we had then. Secondary, probably not, but even they still have Richard Sherman, as you said.
     
  7. Timsup2nothin

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    The 49ers recievers would be a pleasant upgrade if they got shipped, en masse, to Foxboro...or to Green Bay for that matter. But you did suggest that they were man for man better than the Chiefs, which is patently absurd. A really good quarterback could certainly elevate their play based on their talents. However, they aren't going to get elevated by Garoppolo, so stopping them isn't going to take anything more than the Chiefs can bring. The only danger the 49ers offense presents is their running game...and Derrick Henry could probably serve as a cautionary tale about trying to rely on that.
     
  8. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish By any means necessary

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    You are giving an extremely good offensive mastermind (with plenty of capable weapons) two weeks to prepare against a mediocre defense in the Chiefs. OTOH I don't deny that Andy Reid is also intelligent offensively, but what's he going up against is a lot harder to penetrate even with all the preparation in the world.

    The Chiefs defense, as a whole, has been about league average whereas the 49ers have had the best defense in the NFL other than perhaps the Patriots (and the Patriots aren't nearly as loaded as the 49ers on the other side of the ball).

    The Packers offensive line was comfortably better than what the Chiefs have, but the 49ers had no problem eating Aaron Rodgers apart, despite Aaron Rodgers being an elite QB.
     
  9. Timsup2nothin

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    Rodgers is a declining quarterback. Definitely still very good, and maybe borderline elite, but the Packers just learned the lesson that he is no longer capable of grabbing a handful of no name receivers and turning an NFL game into a sandlot special that breaks in his favor. And saying "well, Andy Reid is okay, but look how they stopped that Matt LeFleur offense!" isn't really a big confidence builder. The 49ers have two weeks to prepare for the best offensive mind in the league, armed with an absolute arsenal of weapons, lead by the best triggerman in the game today. Two weeks ain't enough.

    By the way, calling any Shanahan an offensive mastermind is an insult to masterminds everywhere. Every Shanahan/Kubiak offense ever has been one dimensional. Give them an opponent that they can run over and a defense that can contain the opponent's offense so they don't have to play from behind; they're gonna be great. Ask the Titans how that worked out for them.
     
  10. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish By any means necessary

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    I don't think the 49ers offense this season has been remotely close to "one dimensional". This 49ers defense is comparable to what the Broncos had in Super Bowl 50. The Broncos also had an awful offense that year (49ers not even close to that) and the Broncos still won. The Panthers were tearing everyone apart that year as much as the Chiefs are now, but that didn't matter in the end. I picked the Panthers to win that Super Bowl, at the time, but I learned from that mistake.

    The 49ers have had the 4th best offense in the league this year and I don't think that was a result of a one-dimensional system.

    However you cut it: The 49ers, this season, have not been THAT much worse than the Chiefs offensively, but on the other side of the ball (which is more important as it pertains to Super Bowl championships, to begin with) there is absolutely no comparison.
     
  11. Light Cleric

    Light Cleric ElCee/LC/El Cid

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    Meanwhile, in the Wild Card round

     
  12. Timsup2nothin

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    Oddly enough, a mere one click away from that page you can find that the 49ers ran the ball more than any other team in the league except Baltimore.

    Hey, did you notice what happened to Baltimore when they didn't jump out on top and had to play from behind? Did you notice that the same thing happened to the Titans, yet another run heavy one dimensional offensive team?
     
  13. caketastydelish

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    The fact that you even bringing up only proves my point for me IMO. The Vikings defense this year has been VASTLY superior to what the Chief's have had all season, to begin with. So not only that an unfair comparison already, but the Vikings beat the Saints IN the Superdome which is easier said than done.

    The 49ers had no problem cracking the well above league average defense of the Vikings, which the Chiefs don't have to begin with. The Vikings offense is also far from a joke and has a lot of legit weapons.
     
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    Baltimore's defense sucks other than their secondary. The Ravens were also using "if it's working don't fix it", which was correct until it was too late. Then, ironically, the Titans themselves made that same mistake the opponents they just defeated made the very following week. Shanahan will have two weeks to prepare for what clearly doesn't work against this Chiefs D, and what does.
     
  15. Timsup2nothin

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    Shanahan faces the exact same problem as the Ravens and Titans. It isn't a matter of "well, since it's working keep doing it." The issue is that their personnel are geared to a one dimensional approach and no amount of planning will suddenly turn their players into what they are not. To beat the 49ers you stack against the run and dare Jimmy Garoppolo to beat you throwing, because he can't. Not with that playbook and those receivers anyway.
     
  16. caketastydelish

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    This is where we disagree. The 49ers have wide receivers that are as a whole, above league average and then George Kittle speaks for himself. I also don't think "Jimmy G can't beat you at throwing". He isn't elite, probably, but he doesn't have to be, especially if what he's going up against is the very definition of mediocracy. And as for the 49ers running game, it's also just as good as what the Ravens and Titans have, but they're also better at other aspects.

    Do not forget that in the previous Super Bowl all of us (including you) were so hyped up about "the greatest show on turf 2.0" but then the Patriots almost completely shut it down.

    Then on the other side of the ball, the Rams defense was (and possibly still is) MUCH better than what the Chiefs have today, and even then they still lost.

    edit: Jimmy G has also been statistically above average as a QB. I don't think that is the definition of "can't beat a mediocre defense". Especially when his own defense can keep in the game.
     
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    bro i was just making a joke about how our o-line gagged in the playoffs against what was a pretty basic stunt (and one that the Niners handled just fine)
     
  18. Timsup2nothin

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    You should take a close look at quarterbacks who have played in run heavy offenses. They are usually "statistically above average." That doesn't change the fact that when someone stuffs their running game, or scores points in bunches so they can't stick to the running game, they sink like a stone.

    Recent example: Ryan Tannehill.
     
  19. caketastydelish

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    Ryan Tannehill is actually decent at passing. A better example would be Mariota. And I would say the 49ers offense, overall is similarly capable (if not moreso) than what the Titans have, but their defense is in a completely other category.

    The 49ers gave up only about 250 yards per game this postseason. And the Chiefs, as you can see, gave up a LOT more than that.


    The Chiefs haven't faced any defense in the playoffs that is remotely comparable to this.

    edit: and as far as "well the Texans and Titans had a bad defense in the playoffs specifically because they both had to face the Chiefs."

    A much larger context, the regular season, still says almost the same thing.
     
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  20. Timsup2nothin

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    He certainly is. In fact, in the period since he took over as the starter in Tennessee he has been not just "statistically above average," he's been pretty much "statistically great," way better than Garoppolo. And when the run was stuffed and they were playing from behind he couldn't salvage the day for the Titans, because that's specifically not how their entire offense is constructed. Neither is the 49ers.
     

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