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Who does still care about Civ4Col modding?

Discussion in 'Civ4Col - We The People' started by raystuttgart, Sep 3, 2020.

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Are Civ4Col and its mods still interesting to you?

  1. I really do not care about this game and its mods anymore.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. I still play the game and its mods, but I hardly visit the forum.

    6.3%
  3. I still play the game and visit this forum from time to time - once a month or less.

    25.0%
  4. I still play the game and visit this forum regularly - at least once a week.

    35.4%
  5. I visit this forum regularly and I might want to become a mod supporter.

    8.3%
  6. I visit this forum regularly and I am also an active mod supporter.

    6.3%
  7. I visit this forum regularly and I might want to become a modder myself.

    6.3%
  8. I still visit this forum from time to time and I once was a modder myself.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. I still visit this forum regularly and I am still a modder but only privately for myself.

    2.1%
  10. I still visit this forum regularly and I am a modder of a public project.

    10.4%
  1. raystuttgart

    raystuttgart Civ4Col Modder

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    Hi guys,

    just out of interest, I would like to get a feeling how many of us still care about Civ4Col modding? :dunno:
    Meaning how big our community actually still is.

    Please leave a vote in the poll. :thumbsup:
    If you want to, also leave a short post about yourself.
    • Why are you visiting this forum?
    • How often do you visit this forum?
    • Which mods do you like?
    • Have you ever modded or wanted to mod yourself?
    • ...
    It is not really specifically about WTP, but if you play WTP I would be interested to know of course. :)

    Best regards
    ray
     
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  2. R_TEAM

    R_TEAM Chieftain

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    not exactly the answer that fit me here ....
    Visit the forum regulary (2 times a week at last)....
    But atm dont Play WTP , as i play mostly MP games - and with the actual desync problem it is no motivation here to start an game ...
    But i love "Colonization" from Amiga Times - and WTP is for me the best game experience that come close to an sucesfull successor .... ;)
     
  3. triplebassist

    triplebassist Chieftain

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    I had taken a break from playing Col for a couple of years, but am really glad I've been playing again. I've liked the little XML work I've done. Even though my ability to do any actual programming for a mod is minimal, it's fun to think about how the changes I make can affect the game for others and how I want to adjust the game with the tools I have to make a better experience, so I might try to learn about the more involved aspects later.
     
  4. raystuttgart

    raystuttgart Civ4Col Modder

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    @triplebassist
    Nice to hear that you are thinking of becoming a modder yourself. :)

    Modding is not necessarily about programming only - especially if you work in a big team.
    Modders can also become quite specialized on e.g. graphics, events, balancing ...

    -----

    However, if you want to create a big new feature, there is almost certainly also programming involved.
    And if you are modding all by yourself and want to create such new features, then you would also need to be able to programm.

    But on the other hand such a big new feature also requires a lot more than just programming.
    They usually also require new graphics, new Python-UI, new texts, good balancing, ...

    Generally big new features require to know almost every discipline Civ4Col modding at least a bit.
    But it is not said that such a big new feature needs to be done by one person alone.

    Also, modding is simply not just about creating big new features.
    It is also about all the small details, like creating events, improving graphics, improving balancing, improving texts, ...

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    So basically what you need to learn for modding depends on the following:
    • What do you want to achieve?
    • Who do you work with?
     
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  5. Nenos

    Nenos Chieftain

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    I've only the time to play around ten to sixteen hour a week. And my code skills are basic. I learnd a bit of Java. php and html at school in the evening class for one year. But it was in 1999. So I can report bugs but I need help to find and fix a bug.
     
  6. Kendon

    Kendon Warlord

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    I'm not a programmer but I could proofread the English version. I just took a quick look at the first few Game Concepts in the Colopedia. I've bolded some corrections, mainly typos but with one content addition.

    Games Concepts/Breeding Horses/Mechanics "attain its full breeding potential"
    Combat/Naval Evasion "Select ships -- the Merchantman, Sloop, Fluyt, Corrack, Caravela Redonda, Brigantine and the Caravel -- have the chance to slip away from combat ..."
    Borders and Culture/Expanding Your Borders/ ..."Village Markets, Taverns and all upgrades ...; Taverns and their upgrades"
    Contested Plots/ "rival settlement lay in the past. (period needed)"
    Breeding Horses, Cattle and Sheep/Mechanics/ "When there is less than one ...kind of livestock present, attain its full breeding potential "
    Function of the various kinds of livestock/ "Cattle are also needed to produce ..."
    Buildings/National Wonders/ ... capturing the colony (remove comma) in which it was built.

    I've enjoyed playing since the TAC days and would be happy to give something back if it would be useful.
     
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  7. Coprolover

    Coprolover Chieftain

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    1) Found a comment on moddb;
    2) 1 time per 2 day;
    3) I have been playing the original periodically since 2009, but I decided to try this mod because it is still supported. It surprised me, because 12 years have passed;
    4) Monkey-level modding Fallout 3. I just noticed a few bugs and curves of parameters in the survival mode and got carried away a little. As a result, everything turned into a mini-fork of the mod, where I made a lot of fixes (rebalancing), wrote a couple of simple scripts (just a few lines), fixed the sprint script and fixed the incompatibility of locations (before that the plugin did not start with the master file and it was required to integrate them ). In fact, it was just fun with mod tools and nothing serious. Maybe I'll post it when I'm finished, but first need to get out of the russian gulag. In this mod I can test and make suggestions. If I increase my level over time, I can do something more serious.
     
  8. raystuttgart

    raystuttgart Civ4Col Modder

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    That is pretty much my problem as well. :)
    Modding can become really time consuming ...

    But modding can really be a lot of fun - if you are doing it because you are motivated and you are also able to really achieve something.
    There is something quite satisfying in creating your own "perfect game" by working together with a team of other motivated people you like.

    I have had times during e.g. the early days of TAC and RaR where modding was way more fun to me than actually playing any game.
    There were simply so many ideas and dreams, so much potential in the game, so much motivation in community, ... that everything seemed possible.
     
  9. raystuttgart

    raystuttgart Civ4Col Modder

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    So ok, by looking at the poll and also looking back at the last months, I have come up with a few conclusions for myself.

    The things that make me happy to see:
    Spoiler :

    WTP is still relatively popular considering players. :)
    That is good news for me, since it shows that it was worth our effort.

    There are still loyal community members and supporters that want to help. :thumbsup:
    So new community members will find help and advice in this forum.

    There are also still a couple of motivated modders that might create some nice improvements from time to time. :thumbsup:
    Thus I believe that WTP generally will continue to live in terms of being supported and improved over time.


    The things that are a bit disappointing for me:
    (Might however also be a good thing. :dunno:)
    Spoiler :

    Compared to the number of players this game still has, it seems that only a tiny fraction of players regularly visits the forum. :undecide:
    Maybe they simply do not have forum accounts though.

    That is a pitty, because this forum could really use more discussions. :dunno:
    It also makes it a bit more difficult to get more supporters.

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    We modders do not have a common vision anymore. :sad:
    Thus there is also no commitment, no planning and no work organisation for big projects.

    I thus accept that WTP needs to change from a "managed team project" into a "community project". :thumbsup:
    Meaning that it mainly becomes a collection of personal projects that later on might get integrated or not into core mode.

    It is up to the remaining modders and community to figure out what WTP core mod will become. :thumbsup:
    (Meaning the things they merge together and which they will keep separated.)

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    I had personally hoped for a real team project though - simply because I believe it is much more effective. :badcomp:
    Basically like in the times of TAC and RaR.

    But that time seems to be over - even though I still have problems to accept it. :sad:
    Since that is however obvious to me now, I end again my time as Civ4Col-modder as already announced a few weeks ago.

    I will thus not participate in team decisions, feature design, implementation or release publishing anymore.
    I will however stay around and try to support from time to time.

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    Summary:

    I am happy to see that there are still people interested to play and mod this game. :)
    Thus I am also confident that WTP will continue to live and further be improved. :thanx:

    I am looking forward to all the great things our remaining modders and community will create. :thumbsup:
    And most importantly I wish all remaining modders a lot of fun and success. Keep up the spirit! :rockon:
     
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  10. GlasgowGeek

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    5k plus hours of Civ4Col, just on the Steam version alone. RaR is responsible for most of it lol
    Before that, it was Colonization on the AMiGA. One of the few games that supported a graphics card, and was awesome on it!

    Played Civ 5, and Civ 6, but now gone back to Col+WtP(RaR) on Steam Linux.
    I really want to convert the Chesapeake Bay map to RaR, but no idea how to convert maps to the new format.
     
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  11. nci

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    Hello,

    * I visit this forum to check if there's future development of WTP, once a month or less
    * I genuinely love current state of WTP. I tried earlier versions of what ended up as WTP, and for me something just wasn't there, while with WTP 2.8 I'm mostly happy, and can finally enjoy playing Colonization!
    * I do some very basic stuff e.g. have a personal Civ4Bts modcomp, and changed brightness values for WTP because couldn't see visited plots well otherwise, but that's about it.
     
  12. raystuttgart

    raystuttgart Civ4Col Modder

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    That is nice to hear. :)

    What specifically are you talking about with "earlier versions"?
    Earlier versions meaning WTP 2.7 or RaR or even TAC?

    By the way:
    The currently most updated (and probably best version) of WTP is (inofficial) Release 2.8.1 here.
    (It may sound like a "small update" but it actually got a lot of improvements - and even new features - compared to last official release.)
     
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  13. nci

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    I meant RaR & TAC. I don't think I tried WTP prior to 2.8.
    I will try that, thank you! I always play the RaR Americas - Gigantic scenario, will it work fine with 2.8.1 given the changes?
     
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  14. raystuttgart

    raystuttgart Civ4Col Modder

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    Yes, that Scenario will work. :thumbsup:
    (Because it does not have preplaced starting Units of Colonial Nations.)
     
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  15. PH2

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    I still regularly play the game and appreciate everything this community has done to bring a dead game back to life. I probably played the 2008 release less than 10 hours in total before I stumbled on RTR a few years ago, and now WTP. I've been playing it regularly for the past 3 or 4 years and am still enjoying it. I have absolutely no modding/programming skills, though.
     
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  16. Tugboatspotter

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    In regards to modding, I understand it is disappointing that so few people would consider modding this game. I think it is unlikely to change considering the age of the game. Younger modders will naturally gravitate to newer games.

    An important thing a poll like this misses is that this is a mod/game that people tend to play sporadically, so why would people check the forum when they are not currently playing the game? I have played many civ mods over the years and I regularly return to mods I haven't played in months or years. Only at that time would I consider checking the forums. Also, there will always be new players who discover the brilliance of this mod.

    Rarely will a mod stand the test of time as this one will.
     
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  17. Gladi

    Gladi The ignored thread killer

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    My largest reason for not visiting this forum is that I am not visiting civfanatics at all. Back in the day Master of Mana and FfH kept me here long enough to get involved the non-gaming part of the forums.
     
  18. Anba02

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    Hi

    I still come back here from time to time. Still hoping that someone will pick up the idea of creating a mod where you can save your victorious game, from ...say vanilla. Then you load the mod where you can start the same game as a scenario with the difference that you are now an independent nation trying to catch up with the former colonizing countries in order not to become a recolonized banana (ok sugar) republic.

    Best Regards
    Andreas
     
  19. ColoFan

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    i like the game, but love your mod. I am playing the game very often with a friend via LAN. You and your mod are great!

    • Why are you visiting this forum?
    • How often do you visit this forum?
    • Which mods do you like?
    • Have you ever modded or wanted to mod yourself?
    I visit the forum, because I love the mod
    I was visiting the RaR forum 1-2 per month, then I thought its finished. After many months I realized today, that there is "we the People"
    I like the TAC mod, I love the RaR mod, now I will test "We the People" :)
    I have never modded, but would like to do

    BR
    ColoFan
     
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