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Who is more pushy with their POV atheists/agnostics or the religious.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Mark1031, Jul 16, 2009.

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Who is more pushy?

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  1. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Not to mention a bunch of Catholic posters who'd be happy to burn candle at the stake :yeah:.
     
  2. Irish Caesar

    Irish Caesar Yellow Jacket

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    People have no control over their race, sex, whatever else they're born into.

    This is not the case with religion.
     
  3. candle

    candle Prince

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    When all are subject to him, dont take it out of context, the bible clearly states



    read the verses I just posted and it will make alot more sense

    Wrong my christmas is going to a candle light service on christmas eve. Thats it, no more and no less. There is no tree, no lights, no presents, because that is pegan in nature. Nor do I celebrate easter with a bunny, its a Morning Church Service to remember the sacrafic plain and simple. I do not awkloge Halloween period, my light will never be on, nor will my child ever partake in these pegan traditions. And I do deny the bible borrowed any ideas. The Torah was passed down verbally for Generations before being written down, who is not to say the biblical stories where not borrowed. I firmly belive the bible is the written word of god and that god protects his word. Also the food requirements, and the stonning are not part of the Gentiles, those where laws made unto the Jews. And no one is to stone, for jesus said he is without sin cast the first stone, so stonning is biblically wrong after Jesus Died
     
  4. candle

    candle Prince

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    I would meet your theologian, I have many books I can cite on this matter, the council of Niccea where Constine interoduced the tradtions. For one the Roman Census was not taken on Christmas it was taken in the spring, and belive it or not the Romans had spring the same time we do. So jesus's birth was not on Christmas but during the spring because it is stated they had to go to bethlam for the Census. And call me a troll if you please, my god will justify me, for greater is he that is in me than is in the world.
     
  5. AngryZealot

    AngryZealot King

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    The books in your Bible were chosen by men. How can you claim that it is 100% "true"? Are some of the rejected books also potentially "true"? If not, how did men know the proper books to include several generations after they were written?
     
  6. Moss

    Moss CFC Scribe Retired Moderator

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    You can, right here:
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=274484

    It's a good thread, feel free to ask questions and I'm sure you'll find it interesting as well. :)
     
  7. Moss

    Moss CFC Scribe Retired Moderator

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    The Bible clearly states a lot of things...many of them contradictory to one another. One example:

    Can God be seen?

    In EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9 God CAN be seen:
    "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
    "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
    "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

    However, these verses say God cannot be seen:
    "No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
    "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
    "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)

    So which is it, can we see God or can we not?

    There are many more discrepancies and contradictions in the Bible as well both in the facts and in theology as a whole.
     
  8. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    You can find him here and here. :)

    I'm quite aware of that fact. But it has nothing to do with anything. At any rate, one or two irrelevant changes prove nothing. I certainly hope you think the mere fact that we celebrate Christ's birth at all is immeasurably more important than when we do it. Ideally, as a God-fearing Christian, you should be celebrating it every day.

    Our God may "justify" you, but the CFC moderator staff isn't quite so understanding.
     
  9. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    Sometimes it is. It depends on diversity. You could be born in the middle east, in a 100% muslim community with muslim parents. You wouldn't have a choice to belong to any other religion until you hear about them... and by that time you're nearly certainly not going to change your religion.
     
  10. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    You missed the O Brother Where Art Thou quote opening. :(
     
  11. Irish Caesar

    Irish Caesar Yellow Jacket

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    The statement was made to counter that distrust of an atheist based solely on his atheism is akin to distrust of someone based on his race or sex. Clearly, this is a poor comparison; I could not choose to be born an American male, but the choice to believe in a higher power is mine alone.

    I don't have the impression that the person making the initial statement makes any distinction between people of different religions anyway...
     
  12. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    How's life back in the 1600s Ned Flanders?

    What does Halloween have to do with Christian Holidays!? Like it or not, Halloween does exist.

    Prude party pooper, wont even let your child partake in candy!


    You just don't get it do you. The bible is just a BOOK! MAN wrote it. The Biblical stories were borrowed from Mesopotamian cultures during that time along with stories that have been exaggerated!. Stories from the Fertile Crescent influenced the writing of the old testiment. Why do you think other cultures within that region share a similar story with Noah's Flood?!

    They are still God's word, are they not? You said yourself that you follow and take the Bible literally and word for word. So in essance you are breaking God's word by shaving, eating shellfish, and not indulgeing in stoning a gay person or two. Must be fun to get your head around at the inconsistencies of some of the bible stories with two version of the same story. I can already picture a circular logic going on here...

     
  13. candle

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    from what you claim I would like the number to your pastor, so I can show him the word of god please. You really need to learn some basic truths. What is your churchs phone number.

    You are not a christian in any sense of the word. You deny god in your words, and spout lies and decit. Jesus did come, and with him brought forgiveness, but I suppose you missed that sunday didn't you. Or did you miss the part where the laws on shaving ect where passed to his chosen people, guess you missed that sunday also. Fact of the matter is before christ, no one but a jew could be redeemed. And now you sit here and spout the lies of a demon that manifests itself within your own heart and are blind to the truth of god set before you. You mock his very teachings and you claim to be one of his people. I call you out sir, I ask that you pray on the matter, and get back inline with the church. I suspect there was maybe a time when you knew the truth, I suggest you sit down and read your bible. I suggest you fellowship with the lord, and make it not just a sunday affair. You are not even a casual, you are a non. Jesus says he will spit you out of his mouth. What can you show to christ, what will you do on the day of judgement when the brimstone. Will any of your deeds get you into heaven?

    God will judge you on that day, and in your heart can you say you will enter the pearly gates, because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I will. For any not living in christ will perish that is what is written, any one that is not a fundamentalist christian will burn in the hellfire, anyone that promotes sin and does not rebuke invites there own destruction. You want proof of this

    All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    2 Timothy 3:16

    Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    2 Timothy 4:2

    He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.
    Proverbs 28:23

    so I rebuke you and I challange you to open your heart to god, and to read his bible.
     
  14. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Oh for the love of marmalade. I am a Christian. Who are you to judge who is a Christian or not?

    I'm sorry to tell you but I aint denying god nor spouting lies n decit. You sir are the one spouting lies and decit about the Catholic Church. Calling thoes who dont follow your line of thought as not Christians dispite the fact that they are Christians. You have completely miss the entire point about the origans of the bible and why many Christians don't take it litteraly and why many of them are NOT YECs.

    Congratulations, you dodged my question that I asked you.

    Mocking? This has nothing to do with mocking the Bible. It's called applying rationality and critical thinking on a piece of literature. Apparently you've completely miss the points that I am trying to deliver that the Bible was written by man and that there would be human errors contained in it from translation errors from one language to another, exaggeration of a said event, and been infuenced by cultures of another civilization.

    Oh for crying out loud, now you're invoking hellfire now. And I thought W+M1 Pyros are bad enough.


    I guess by your logic, all non-Pentecostals are doomed to hellfire :rolleyes:. Now I know how an atheist feels when HE/SHE is told the same thing.

    You're rebukes are nothing more than ravid rantings and ad homs just to tick off another Christian who is in a different denomination than you.
     
  15. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    That's an interesting angle actually, that I've never actually stopped to think about it.

    Though I would posit that I also don't get any choice in what to believe. Sure I could go back to my Roman Catholic upbringing and start going to Church and all that, but it wouldn't make me a Christian, as I still wouldn't believe in God, or theological Christ, or any of that stuff. A divine experience would be required for me to start believing in any religion, and the occurrence of that isn't really my choice now is it?

    And even then, distrusting those without a creed is as silly and asinine as distrusting those with brown hair, live in apartments, eat pancakes, or listen to classical music.
     
  16. Irish Caesar

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    In that sense, though, it was still a conscious decision to not believe in any higher spirit of sorts, no? If you were raised Catholic, you must have come to the conclusion at some point that what you were told was wrong. You alone decide what is sufficient evidence for you to believe in the existence of a god.

    I disagree. For many people, their religious belief makes a huge impact on the way they live their lives. They can assume that other religious people also aim to live according to the commands of their respective religions. For example, I could assume that if I were to meet someone tomorrow identifying as a Christian, I'd expect him to act with honesty out of either love or fear of his Lord. Perhaps I'd be wrong... but in general, it would not be an unreasonable assumption.

    However, if I were to meet an atheist, without getting to know him or anything, I would know nothing about his beliefs or attitudes towards life. Would he act with kindness towards me? Perhaps, but perhaps not; he neither loves nor fears someone powerful telling him to do so.

    I'd expect the same from you, maybe even on some subconscious level that you aren't aware of. I can't imagine there isn't something in your head telling you, when speaking to a religious person you haven't met, "if he believes that craziness, should I trust his judgment about anything else?"

    Of course, once you are acquainted with someone, deciding whether or not to trust him based solely on his religion would be unfair and unwise... but why shouldn't a religious person be a bit skeptical of an atheist in general before learning what drives him and how he lives his life?
     
  17. Loppan Torkel

    Loppan Torkel Deity

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    I guess you're referring to my "rambling" statement, but since you're all wrong about it, you'd better read it again.

    The German Nazis did persecute people of many different religious backgrounds and although they also formed and used their notion of Christianity to their benefit, you can't claim Nazi ideology is based in Christianity. It wasn't then and is not today.
     
  18. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Really? Who broke Hearts?
     
  19. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Moderator Action: We are going to have to increase the civility here. The tone is threading too close to where people get carried away.
     
  20. candle

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    your wrong, I am told to challange the heretic and the pharisie. I am to rebuke and cast them out of the house of the lord.


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    Matthew 18:1-3 ESV / 12 helpful votes

    At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Your faith is to blind, and loyal beyond all. Only blind faith, that of a childs will get you into heaven, in jesus's own words. You choose to instead go agasint his very word and decide what is true and what is not. You are welcome to chose what you wish, but a christian you sir are not. By Jesus's very words you are not, and I know that has no effect on you. There is more to it than going to church and being a good person. It is child like faith that will get you in. No good work or deeds shall do. So I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ, and I ask that judgement come down into your life, that your eyes would be opened, and that your heretical words would cease to be.
     

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