Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Mark1031, Jul 16, 2009.
I'd disagree on THAT bit of thought...
disagree all you want, but Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. No amount of deeds will get you into heaven. The best deed a man can do will not attone for his sin.
The problem is that if you use that logic, believing in Jesus is the only thing necessary. You can be as bad as you like, and commit all the sins in the world, but if you believe in Jesus, you will get into heaven before the best and most generous non-Christian. That is clearly fallacious.
So, how long have you been attending the Westboro Baptist Church?
You can say that about a 'particular brand' of just about anything. Tell me, what are you morally obligated to do thats insane if your a Methodist for example? A baptist?
Good for you. Shows you can indeed learn some manners.
I thought you just said the door to door types leave quickly when your nice to them? You comments are inconsistent with your actual experience.
Actually, its also based on their rude behavior, which unfortunately, seems to be an issue with a lot of atheists.
What does that have to do with being polite and respectful?
Thanks for making more of my point. You've been great!!!
'Faith without works, is dead'.
And all it takes to 'attone' for his sin is to simply ask forgiveness.
Please stop judging people to the extent that you are. Your're driving people away from God...not toward him.
And if you dont realize THAT....your also going to have to explain it when you get there. I certainly hope you have a good excuse.
Btw, in the Texas thread, you said you intentionally huffed some kind of bleach/cleaner stuff in order to get out of the service. Do you think that is Christlike behavior and how to you resolve that along the lines of what you are preaching here?
Maybe candle is cardgame's dl? After all, cardgame has a candle on his avatar and their names are kinds similar...
As to the question - there are no door-to-door types in Russia, since most of the population lives in the apartment blocks. The most you can get is Jehovah Witnesses' booklets in the mailboxes.
In the political life, the religious types here are definitely more pushy. In my own private life, both the atheists and the religious people I happen to know aren't pushy.
He breathed in bleach to get out of service? 0_o. Isn't that like illegal (or at the very least, very very stupid)?
That statement was made while he was admittedly trolling. That's why people don't believe that he's serious now.
I like how creationist Kent Hovind tries to explain that dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eve with Adam and Eve. Noah took some dinosaur eggs/baby dinosaurs and stuffed them on his Ark and the dinosaurs survived the flood. Unfortunately, mankind began to hunt and kill the remaining dinosaurs which were called "dragons". A few have managed to survive to this very day and are called things like "Nessie", "The Great Sea Serpent", "Kongamato" and "Mokele-Mbembe". I guess Candle is a fan of him...
Candle, I'm disappointed you ignored my question.
@Moss - There is no point in arguing with candle, let alone ask him questions.
Sorry, I'm not wrong here. You also in the course of this thread proved yourself that you can't hold a rational discussion without going to hyperbible thumping mode. Look in the mirror before you start calling people heritics.
And Jesus said that no one can know the father, cept through him.
Sorry, but I did not go against his word. Besides the point he did not even made mention about taking the Genesis story litteraly.
Look in the mirror before YOU start judging me! You sir are going against Jesus's teaching of not judging other people, yet here you are telling another Christian that he is not a Christian. Who are you to judge who's a Christian or not?!
The Gospel according to St. Matthew 7:1-2 (Douay-Rheims Bible, Catholic Edition)
"Judge not, that you may not be judged. For what judgement you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measurement you mete, it shall be measured to you again"
Candle is perhaps the only poster here that makes me think that the religious are more annoying than militant atheist. Candle is perhaps the only poster that is actualy turning me off of God with his rantings and temper tantrums.
@CivGeneral: Yeah I know that feeling Press if you dare
Edit: And good job candle. Now I can see why so many people were laughing in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz5T1EEo8ws
And just who are you to be rebuking people in the name of Jesus Christ?
Maybe Candle is really a militant atheist that uses reverse psychology to convert believers...
Don't go giving people ideas...
In a book that is 100% true, there is no "context". There is no basis to claim that one section of text is subordinated to another unless the author states it explictly. You have stated that the Corinthians text needs to be seen through the filters of other passages you have selected (Romans & John). The actual bible text provides no such direction. I have not seen a users guide that states that 1 Cor is a text that needs to be read only in the context of other passafges, let alone the two specific ones you posted. Your "context" argument is an old technique that people use to explain away contradictions or spin the meaning to their liking. If the bible is 100% true then, both of your selected passages are as fully true as 1 Corinthians and without an "in the Bible" directive one cannot be subordinated to another. The infallibility of the bible is not a toy for you to manipulate for your own purposes. If you cannot accept all thrree as true as they are written, then that is your problem and not the bible's.
And if 1 Corinthians is true, then in the end, all will be saved and joined to god, including, the devil and those who do not believe in Christ.
So my question for you is: Where is the bibical passage (or other authority) that says 1 Cor. 15: 20-28 is only true in the context of John 3 and Romans 10?
For the same reason many native American cultures have stories of a global flood wiping out man-- Pure coincidence.
There is a point to where coincidence doesnt explain it however.
And no, I will disagree with civg that the bible is just a book. Seriously, no christian worth calling themselves one should make that comment, even if you dont take it literal in every aspect...its still Gods manual for living, and as such should be taken seriously. Jesus took the word seriously, and if he did, so should his followers. He would never say 'its just a book'.
If you are unable to keep up with the footmen, how can you keep up with the horsemen? In other words, if your faith is so weak as to be effected by the rantings of an anonyous person over the web....your faith needs some work. How do you know he isnt simply doing that to get that exact feeling out of you?
You notice how candle avoids my posts? Think about it.
I think he would say the message contained inside the Book is what is important. A book is indeed just a book.
However, to say that the Bible's words are infallible would be a severe mistake. While some things can perhaps be taken literally (Jesus giving the Sermon on the Mount, the evangelizing missions of the Apostles, etc), there are many things which are quite obviously parable or figurative usage of words (the flood, the six days of creation, etc).
CANDLE IS A TROLL.
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