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Who is the best?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by Berke I., Dec 13, 2008.

  1. Berke I.

    Berke I. Chieftain

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    Hello!

    I'm from Turkey,İstanbul.

    I don't now English very much.

    I wiil ask a question.

    Who is the best Leader in Civilization IV Beyond The Sword?

    For you?
     
  2. JulesDogg

    JulesDogg Warlord

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    Huayna Capac of the Inca - Financial / Industrious

    Unique Unit = Quechua
    Unique Building = Terrace

    Very strong leader for all victory types.
    Very good at early rush with quechua.
    Strong economy with financial trait.
    Can build wonders fast.
    Terrace is a granary that makes culture, which is almost like having the Creative trait for free.

    I also like Elizabeth - Financial / Philosophical for all those GPs.
     
  3. Berke I.

    Berke I. Chieftain

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    I think Süleyman(Türkish meanig)Suleiman is the best.

    Because
    %100 Birth Rate
    Double Production speed of University
    Great General Emeregence
    %50 Faster production Settler
     
  4. Turquoiside

    Turquoiside Emperor

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    Sulieman isn't the BEST, and one could argue well that Augustus is much better than Inca. I prefer Mehmed over Suliemen anyway, better building synergy.
     
  5. Ai Shizuka

    Ai Shizuka King

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    I'd say Willem van Oranje, HC or Elizabeth.

    And a rarely mentioned leader: Ragnar. I think he has one of the best overall UU/UB/traits combo. And CR berserkers upgraded to rifles are just plain fun.
     
  6. Supr49er

    Supr49er 2011 Thunderfall Cup

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    I have to agree with Huayna Capac as best overall.

    It depends on your victory conditions and playing style. :D

    Welcome to the Forums Berke I..
     
  7. Iranon

    Iranon Deity Whipping Boy

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    If you leverage your advantages, pretty much nothing in the game can compare with an early Unique Unit that eats archers for breakfast coupled with economy traits.

    Hence number 1 for me is Huayna Capac followed by Darius. Elizabeth gets a honourable mention purely because deferring warfare until Riflemen is often the safest way to win high-level games even if it's a lot less impressive; on the right map Willem is also extremely strong.

    ***

    Both of the Turkish leaders are above average, but certainly not in the top 5. Both are inferior to Julius Caesar who is comparable to both - mostly because Praetorians tend to dominate the classical era and by the time Janissaries are available 2 Praetorians are usually still better than 1 Janissary...
     
  8. CoZe

    CoZe Warlord

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    It depends on what perspective you are asking. If you're asking which is the best leader to play, probably huayna hands down. But if you mean, which leader plays best as an AI, then it may be debatable. So far I haven't seen huayna be much of a threat. Suleiman plays quite decent, I would consider him a threat most of the time. But I can't think of a best really ...

    bu arada merhaba hosgeldiniz :)
     
  9. Ramesses

    Ramesses Ruler. Visionary. Pimp.

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    My username should be a big hint.

    Why do I like Ramesses II? Because I really like building wonders. And I really dislike Anarchy. Yes, it's that shallow.
     
  10. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    No mention of the possibly top 5 (and definitely top 10) UU? UB isn't bad either...

    I do like hatty a bit more though (not much however, egypt's just really good).

    Ottomans make very solid AIs and Mehmed is one of the best in the game. For the player, I think along the lines of Iranon - abusing an early UU for more land, and having some kind of economy trait to make use of that land, is pretty powerful.

    That said, my favorite is probably Mongolia (Kublai), keshiks are very, very underrated (they should be mentioned around the same degree as prats imo) and the UB bolsters them further. Less powerful economically though. If kublai were like ORG/CRE (or brokenly overpowered for mongolia CHA/CRE) or something it would just be ridiculous.
     
  11. dankok8

    dankok8 Elected World Leader

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    In my opinion, it's pretty much a 3 way tie between Huayna, Liz, and Darius. Willem is pretty good too, but behind these 3.

    Liz: My personal favorite; Financial + Philosophical is the best economic combo and lets you tech faster than with any other leader and makes tons of gold as well which is boosted by the Stock Exchange. Redcoats are just icing on the cake. People underestimate them. The unerfed Redcoats from vanilla were just ridiculous. The current ones are strong with Liz and Vicky and really strong with Churchill. Redcoats cannot be countered by Grenadiers or any other unit in their era. What else do people want?

    Huayna: Almost as good economically as Liz (no Philo), but is Industrious and can pump out wonders faster. This + Terrace makes him a threat for a Cultural win too. Quecha in SP is an exploit. :crazyeye:

    Darius: Financial + Organized is as good as Liz's traits imo since Organized allows for extreme expansion. UU is almost as powerful as a Quecha with a bonus against Archers. The UB sucks though - don't even know what it does or what building it replaces.
     
  12. Joshua368

    Joshua368 Warmongering builder

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    The Apocathy... a Grocer that gives additional :health: , or expansive-lite. Not that that'd ever help much. :p
     
  13. Berke I.

    Berke I. Chieftain

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    Hoşbulduk;

    Coze sen Türk müsün?
     
  14. Joshua368

    Joshua368 Warmongering builder

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    Also I prefer Mehmed II to Suleiman myself. :)
     
  15. Turquoiside

    Turquoiside Emperor

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    I actually think the Hammam is in the Top 5 UBs. My usual problem is happiness before Calendar. If cities are stagnant and avoiding growth, Hammams allow them to grow two sizes more. It is just that much more cottages when it happens across your empire.

    I actually can't think of the one that is better, though that is probably I haven't looked at many top UBs.
     
  16. quiddity

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    i just would like to know,

    why elizabeth ?

    kinda one of the worst trait synergy of this game.

    k financial rox , k Philo rox

    but both at same time are rly not emulating each other.

    Imo 2 good traits does not always make a Very good leader, Elizabeth is a good leader thx to UU/UB of the british wich r 2 very good ones, and the fact that financial or philo are 2 very powerfull trait fully exploited alone. but the fact is both can't be fully exploited together, one need mass cottages and low specialist and the other mass farm/food and full specialist, and don't tell me those 2 traits fits for university low cost ..
    Elizabeth can't be one the very best leader cause of this imho.

    I'm still very curious cause Lizy is pretty often near the top favorites leaders..
     
  17. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    berke merhaba.

    for me best leaders are Asoka for lower levels up to warlord. Darius is best for reinforest maps.and and Huayna Capac is very good for higher levels for early attacks.and it depends on which victory condition you are playing.
     
  18. Ai Shizuka

    Ai Shizuka King

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    You can build a single super gp-farm and cottage spam everything else. Anyway, I think financial alone makes a good leader. And cheap universities are great for an early Oxford, in my experience.

    I think Elizabeth is one of the best leaders because she has everything from above average to great. Traits, UU and UB. I usually try to avoid renaissance war at tech parity, but redcoats (one of the best UU, imo) make it possible. Plain redcoats are great, CR maces upgraded to redcoats are killers.
    And the stock exchange is a very solid UB.
    More commerce from financial, more cash from the UB and early Oxford make Lizzy a very powerful techer in the mid to late game.

    She doesn't have any weak points, really.









    And she's redheaded.
     
  19. Tephros

    Tephros Caffeine Junkie

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    Leaders are only the sum of their traits, and you can also consider the civ they're from unless you play with unrestricted leaders.

    Elizabeth is probably best for cultural victories on high levels. I like Victoria, Ragnar, or Darius for domination victories. HC is a jack of all trades.

    I also like creative or industrious leaders. I don't like protective leaders.
     
  20. Sisiutil

    Sisiutil All Leader Challenger

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    Ever heard of a hybrid economy?

    Your cities are going to specialize anyway; some will focus on commerce, some on production, some on food to generate GPP. And to leverage Financial, you don't need cottages everywhere, nor should they be. So basically Phil/Fin hyper-powers both your commerce and your GP cities. That's pretty extraordinary. With her outstanding mid-game UB (which has synergy with her Financial trait) and UU, Liz is one of the best leaders in the game.

    My own top three:

    1) Julius Caesar (Org/Imp): Praets and Great Generals make for a fun warmongering game. And don't underestimate the benefits of running the game's most expensive civics at half-price.
    2) Elizabeth (Phil/Fin): see above.
    3) Ramesses (Spi/Ind): A great early UU plus what his namesake said above (wonders and no anarchy). Nothing shallow there, he's a powerful leader.
     

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