Who is the cruelest person in history?

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Who is the cruelest person in history?

  1. Pol Pot

    17 vote(s)
    13.0%
  2. Mao Zedong

    6 vote(s)
    4.6%
  3. Josef Stalin

    24 vote(s)
    18.3%
  4. Ashurnasirpal II

    3 vote(s)
    2.3%
  5. Leopold II

    5 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Ivan the Terrible

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Attila the Hun

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Genghis Khan

    11 vote(s)
    8.4%
  9. William the Conqueror

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Shaka

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Adolf Hitler

    24 vote(s)
    18.3%
  12. Timur

    4 vote(s)
    3.1%
  13. Francis Solano Lopez

    1 vote(s)
    0.8%
  14. Dick Cheney

    21 vote(s)
    16.0%
  15. Draco

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Vlad the Impaler

    15 vote(s)
    11.5%
  1. bombshoo

    bombshoo Never mind...

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    Again, not arguing that targeting others is better than your own people, but to the Nazis, the Jews were not Germans. Does that make it right? No because you shouldn't murder anyone. To Hitler however, Germany was being strengthened by wiping out these people, while Stalin's murders were mostly attempts to cover his own ass. Hitler of course had political opponents killed as well but it never reached the extent of the Great Purge. Its hard to say if this makes Stalin more cruel, but I definitly think his murders were more personal in nature.
     
  2. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    I think Stalin was worst than Hitler anyone who disagrees is a god-less commie!
     
  3. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    And anybody who agrees is a godless Nazi, amirite
     
  4. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    Excellent point. Can I quote this in an OT thread sometime?

    So you're saying that manufacturing a rationale that people can buy makes genocide better?
     
  5. Plotinus

    Plotinus Philosopher Super Moderator

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    If I post it, you can quote it.
     
  6. bombshoo

    bombshoo Never mind...

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    No, I specifically said neither were better. I simply said I believe Stalin's murders were more personal while Hitler's murders were largely about meeting the social/political/cultural goals he set. (Even if they were stupid goals).

    My statement wasn't a defense or an attack, it was an observation of their differences and whether or not it should apply when to trying to measure something as such cruelty.
     
  7. alcal

    alcal surfin'

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    No multiple choice?

    Well here is my list:

    1) Mao Zedong.
    2) Joseph Stalin.
    3) Pol Pot.
    4) Kim Jong-il.
    5) Trotsky.
     
  8. Huayna Capac357

    Huayna Capac357 Deity

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    How does Trotsky get on that list but Hitler doesn't?
     
  9. MilesGregarius

    MilesGregarius Half-baked Renegade

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    Not to mention a tin-pot nobody like Kim Jong-il.

    Oh, that's right, communists are inherently more cruel than fascists.:rolleyes:
     
  10. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    He's a genius, don't argue with him.

    He probably just had a history class in high school.
     
  11. LightSpectra

    LightSpectra me autem minui

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    Counting all the purges and labor camps, Kim il-Sung's murder count is something in the line of 2 million. You could potentially increase that number if you want to fold in Jong-il's kills, under the justification that Sung is who created the system to make that possible. Not a "tin-pot nobody."

    Edit: Wait, misread that.
     
  12. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    Tomas de Torquemada
     
  13. BigBallinStalin

    BigBallinStalin Chieftain

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    Yo. _________________________
     
  14. Azale

    Azale Deity

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    I would argue that Kim I was less overt in his destruction of North Korea, and genuine economic progress was made under his rule. Songun (military first janx) hadn't really taken off the same way it did under Kim II.

    Kim II is just generally more incompetent.

    Kim II is more fascist than communist anyway.
     
  15. MilesGregarius

    MilesGregarius Half-baked Renegade

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    Agreed. Kim Superior was a repressive but effective ruler. Had he not died when he did, it's just possible something might have been worked out regarding the North's nuclear program, and some kind of "Socialism with Korean characteristics" or Doi Moi-type reforms might have followed.

    Kim Inferior is, well, just that - inferior. Also, I'll not argue your point about his being fascist rather than communist; my comment was on alcal's original list of Communist bogeymen.
     
  16. plarq

    plarq Crazy forever

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    Well, since the fall of Soviet Union, North Korea got little support from other powers.
     
  17. Uncle Anton

    Uncle Anton Lighthorseman

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    Voted Dick Cheney for the lulz. :D

    As for which is the cruelest? I don't care about that so much as I'm just glad every single one of them is dead.
     
  18. alcal

    alcal surfin'

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    For a reason I cannot say under the cultural marxist dictatorship controlling my country.

    You are off.topic and arrogant as usually. You know, none ever takes you seriously...

    The term "generally more incompetent" is an euphemism for man who is building nukes, while his country is on starvation.

    If you lived in North Korea, you would be sent to a death camp for such an eresy.
     
  19. Azale

    Azale Deity

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    Translation: I don't know what I'm talking about.

    No it's not? It means Kim II is not even as skilled an administrator as his father, who was not even good in his own right. Go be indignant somewhere else.

    I don't know what you think I said, but it's not what I actually said.
     
  20. neutrino

    neutrino Warlord

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    I voted Pol Pot. He would be someone even other bloody communist dictators might consider really really weird. I think he gets the 'cruel' mark primarily due to his de-urbanization policies. This does not make sense economically, as well as totally reactionary with respect to the flow of the 20th century history. Mass killing people of the trades (businessmen, doctors, teachers, and other people with trade skills) -- what a way to cripple one's own national infrastructure without any sort of outside invasion or natural disaster!
     

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