Who says the American government doesn't disappear people without trial? NEW MEXICO!!

[Formaldehyde]

I'm sure you can quote where the OP said it was the federal government.

 

[bhsup]

Right in the title!!!

"Who says the American government doesn't disappear people without trial? NEW MEXICO!!

What the hell do you think my first post in this thread was about? And then you guys started dogpiling Mobby for saying I was right for pointing that out. That's what this has been about. Wrongly blaming the federal government for something it had nothing to do with.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

you people

you guys

And then you guys started dogpiling Mobby for saying I was right for pointing that out. That's what this has been about. Wrongly blaming the federal government for something it had nothing to do with.

1. You guys/people

2. MobBoss was piled on for the monetary compensation angle. If you're going to be indignant, get it right.

About that angle Cami got it right

Point being, whilst the monetary compensation does makes us feel better about the whole situation, it's really pretty unrelated to what has been suffered. You can't say "yes but he's been compensated" as if that is a remotely relevant point.

Also, the fact that some would be willing to do this voluntarily has no relevance on a case where it happened without consent.

 

[bhsup]

Fine, that's another thing that was stupid to dogpile over. Again, it should have never happened, nobody is saying otherwise. But it happened. $15 million is pretty sweet. Do you think $15 million sucks lizard eggs? Would you reject it out of principle?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Fine, that's another thing that was stupid to dogpile over. Again, it should have never happened, nobody is saying otherwise. But it happened.

Now if only you stopped here, but alas ...

$15 million is pretty sweet. Do you think $15 million sucks lizard eggs? Would you reject it out of principle?

Yeah, I totally think 15 million sucks lizard eggs. Yes I would reject it out of principle. Why do I say this? Because it seems I can say or quote whatever I like, without it being read anyway.

Like I said to the pope a few days ago: "For frock's sake man"

 

[Formaldehyde]

Right in the title!!!

Again, you seem to be under the absurd impression that "American" must mean "federal" even though it clearly mentions a state.

At least Bugfatty managed to come up with an appropriate response, thereby managing to still retain some dignity for the right-wingers who posted in this thread.

 

[bhsup]

When he puts "government" after it like that, yes of course it means the federal government. It cannot mean any other as that is the only government that encompasses the entire nation.

 

[bhsup]

Now if only you stopped here, but alas ...
Yeah, I totally think 15 million sucks lizard eggs. Yes I would reject it out of principle. Why do I say this? Because it seems I can say or quote whatever I like, without it being read anyway.

Like I said to the pope a few days ago: "For frock's sake man"

okay, well fair enough for you then. I don't think most people (and I admittedly put myself in there) would turn down the $15 million. I'd take it and try to move on as best I could.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Jesus Christ

I give up, I absolutely give up.

Let me show you how this is done.

 

[woody60707]

This is just a dumb argument to have. And besides Cams comments, brings nothing to the topic.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Let me get this straight....they never arraigned the man, he never had a trial they just locked him away for 2 years and forgot about him?

Oh this isn't a just a damages case. This calls for goddamn mass executions of everyone involved in this. The prison guards, the police officers. Just all of them. This is the sort of thing to topple governments over.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ement-for-2-years-gets-155-million-settlement

Yes, indeed.

Problem with title. That isn't the "American government", but which I am assuming you mean the Federal government for the 50 sovereign states in voluntary union. That is the government of Dona Ana County, N.M that is responsible.

This is also true.

VRWCAgent is correct. NB =/= American Government.

Plust the guy was given a huge settlement for it as well. You could basiclly look at it as he went through very austere conditions for a salary of over 7 million dollars a year.

I don't care how big his settlement was. No amount of money "Repays" being caged up. Those people who were responsible should be thrown into solitary themselves.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I would take the money. But I would still be ticked as crap. Honestly, I'd probably want to kill whoever was responsible.

 

[ace99]

When he puts "government" after it like that, yes of course it means the federal government. It cannot mean any other as that is the only government that encompasses the entire nation.

You know this is why I specified NEW MEXICO in all caps, right after that sentence.

 

[aelf]

There is nothing to defend in regarding the federal government in this case as it is utterly not involved at all. Nothing to defend.

I guess I see an irony in the fact that people who are anti-federal big government have to point out that it's the local government that is crazy here. Surely that's one of the reasons why big government oversight is important.

And fwiw, no one is saying what you allege....at all.

See below.

Sorry. I was trying to figure out what he meant by what he received nto being enough, and no amount being enough. I really didn't know if he meant the money wasn't important or what. I apologize for being dumb.

Isn't it simple enough? Of course being awarded compensation is better than not, but the compensation is not really a way of making amends (which a couple of people here have been suggesting). You can't truly make amends for that kind of thing, so the best thing to do is not to let them happen.

And the compensation definitely doesn't mean there doesn't need to be criminal charges for this.

 

[innonimatu]

VRWCAgent is correct. NB =/= American Government.

Plust the guy was given a huge settlement for it as well. You could basiclly look at it as he went through very austere conditions for a salary of over 7 million dollars a year.

Admit it, if this was described as having happened in, say, Venezuela (where I'm sure prisons can be very bad) you'd find in it reason to be ranting about the 'dictator' of the country. It's in the USA, so you're excusing it as a minor problem of some small county. Except that this is by no means an isolated case inside the USA. Double standard is obvious.

 

[MobBoss]

As you continue to try to rationalize and defend the indefensible by claiming he got a "great settlement" which some would willingly go through to receive the same money.

I havent 'rationalized it' or 'defended' what happened to this guy at all. Hell, what I think happened to him was indeed terrible and have stated as much.

So Form, stop being such a hypocrite here and dont mischaracterize my position that I have clearly laid out to you. There isnt any room for interpretation now (or at least there shouldnt be), so I suggest you hear me, and recognize what I am saying.

As a supposed "paralegal" e.g. clerk, you certainly don't seem to understand much about the law or even the history of civilized countries:

Again, stop being such a hypocrite by so wontonly engaging in what you allege others do to you all the time. As other posters are now pointing out to you, you're the absolute worst around here in doing this. So do yourself (and everyone else) a favor and stop.

On the one hand you claim it must be confined to this one state and even county. . On the other you claim it "happens in every nation on the planet".

Human error occurs in every nation in which humans reside.

I'm sure you can provide numerous examples where this sort of travesty occurs in "every nation" with similar laws and a Constitution such as our own.

Now I have to prove to you that human error exists and happens?

How you incessantly "whine" about me supposedly mischaracterizing your own statements while you do so to mine in most every single thread?

Again, more hypocrisy from you.

Admit it, if this was described as having happened in, say, Venezuela (where I'm sure prisons can be very bad) you'd find in it reason to be ranting about the 'dictator' of the country. It's in the USA, so you're excusing it as a minor problem of some small county. Except that this is by no means an isolated case inside the USA. Double standard is obvious.

Well, for starters, there is a big difference in the entire USA and Venezuela size wise, and division of Government wise.

And most likely, if this happened in Venezuela (and I'm sure similar things do) i'd probably not comment about it at all, as it probably wouldnt even be news in this country.

And this is indeed a fairly isolated case inside the USA. Its extremely rare for someone to get tossed into a cell like this and simply forgotten for almost 2 years.

I never said this was a minor problem. I think its a rather big problem in a minor jurisdiction.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I don't think this is evidence that the US apparently thinks its OK to lock people up without trial. The NDAA 2012 is, but not this.

However, these people who did this should absolutely have the book thrown at them. I'm surprised that the law and order types aren't calling for their heads. I personally think they should spend at least 22 months in solitary confinement without medical attention like they did to this guy, in addition to having to pay out tons of money.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"What happened to this man is horrible, we should let it happen to others as well."

 

[MobBoss]

"What happened to this man is horrible, we should let it happen to others as well."

Come on Ziggy. Be fair. No one is saying this should happen to anyone against their will.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Good god, yet another thread that shows Formaldehyde and MobBoss can't be in the same room for any period of time without soaking threads in negativity and throat-cutting.