Who watchin tha Source Awards?

Or is it tha slang, look at country music and thier accent...

Country is worse :p


Early rap and early hip hop are actually pretty good by the way. It's just got so it's merely spitting into a mike; that's not music.
 
An awards show celebrating the self perpetuation of the worst black stereotypes. Nahh, I'll take a pass. But PM if they have a close up of ho's shakin' they booties.
 
Early rap and early hip hop are actually pretty good by the way.

How early are we going back? Tupac? Fresh Prince? the 60's?
Did you actually listen to those hip hop back then? From experience most people who say that never listen to it back then, and don't listen to it now. They're just saying that to "prove" they are hip with hip-hop.

t's just got so it's merely spitting into a mike; that's not music
Actually I think freestyle battles are more artistic than studio production. I think there are good artists out there like eminem (for his creativity). What annoys me are the tracks about cars and platium grills which are too repetitive.
 
Ah, The Source awards. Advertisers hear that and say:

"Large "urban" 18-45 audience? I'm there!"

:p

EDIT: For the record, I hate rap. Except original, 80s rap. The stuff before it became pop and sold out. I dont' really like it that much, but I acknowledge it as legitimate music.
 
Rap is about expressing wat u think like any other music, its just done differently. U need to listen to what they are saying and understand it, its real, most of what they say is totally true all the way, listen to the words they sayin.

I listen. And I hear Lil' Jon telling his biznatches to "Get Low" and "Get Down on the Floor". Or then I hear Lil' Kim saying she has "the magic ****" (probably can't post that word here). Or I open my eyes and see Lil' Jon with his oversized, diamond-encrusted chalice. :rolleyes:

Don't deny that rap is about sex and money. What is rock about? Listen to the 60s/70s (Hendrix, Beatles, Zeppelin) or modern rock (Radiohead, Weezer, White Stripes are bands I like now) and get back to me.
 
Also sex and money.

Oh, and a little politics ;)

You think the innocent [and not so innocent] lyrics of the 60s and 70s didn't have their meanings? :p for example, the Beatles: "She took me half the way there now" jumps straight to the top of my brain for some reason...
 
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Sorry, I just get a bit angry when I see people say things like that.

So: name your example. Post 1979, original, big as the biggest of the 60s and 70s.

EDIT: oops, I see you were talking to evie ;)

Yeah, I agree with you on your rock thesis pretty much 100%.
 
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Oh, and a little politics ;)

Yeah, and also some black nationalist racist history, such as in the recent Nas hit (I think its called "I Can") where he argues that Egypt was black, and blames everything bad in the world on white Europeans. It was as accurate a portray of world hisory as Nazi historiography.
 
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Also sex and money.

Oh, and a little politics ;)

You think the innocent [and not so innocent] lyrics of the 60s and 70s didn't have their meanings? :p for example, the Beatles: "She took me half the way there now" jumps straight to the top of my brain for some reason...

I prefer Zep's The Lemon Song.."squeeze my lemon, til the juice runs down my legs".

BTW...aren't early Beatlle tunes bubblegum themselves, they were a boy band but evolved into something great and original. Unlike most boy bands.
 
Originally posted by delsully
they were a boy band but evolved into something great and original. Unlike most boy bands.

They weren't a boy band in our current understanding of the word. Even though the early Beatles sounds pretty poopy, they were still kind of edgy for the early sixties. The Beatles spent years developing their sound, boy bands are plug and play. Also, the Beatles developed naturally; boy bands tend to be prefabricated.

BTW, isn't the boy band trend dead now? Afterall, all of the major boy bands are gone.
 
Rap and Hip Hop are no longer what they used to be. It has evolved into another form of pop music.

Essentially all (commercial) rap went downhill after 1996 with a few exceptions here and there. 75% of the artists that have saturated this genre in the past 6 years have little talent.

All it has become is a commercialized endeavour to bring a fake thug image to the suburbian world. Most of the kids today bump **** for music that has thoughtless lyrics repeated constantly over and over again. Others just scream some bs that they try to pass off as hardcore and throw in a clean bass line to it and they call it music.

50 Cent got shot 9 times. Big whoop. Does that make him a good artist? Hell no. His voice is crap and so is his style.

Jay Z is a hack. Always has been. Only reason he even got big is because Pac and Biggie got taken out of the game and he took advantage of that.

This Sean Paul character is another Shaggy clone trying to pass off his annoying voice as music. He should be shot. Lil' Kim has always been the same old whore that she is, and she profits off of dressing like one and singing about how big of one she is. She should also be shot.

You have annoying kids coming into the game with annoying names, like Chingy, making rediculous pop music and getting paid millions to perform it. Nelly is a hack.

You think Puff Daddy or P. Diddy is good? Get your head checked. The only thing he is good at is doing business. He's a good producer, nothing more. After Biggie died all he did was sample beats from popular songs and do a weak rap to them.

The saddest part about most of this is that you got kids who listen to this crap and then they try to be something they aren't claiming that these people are artists with real talent. If you are one of those people you should be shot. These guys have no artistic talent. The only talent they have is fooling you into paying them money so they can spend $80,000 on jewelry which will get stolen from their hotel rooms whle in Las Vegas (Nelly.)

Don't get me wrong. Not all of the popular artists are bad. Take Eminem for instance. Before he became popular or even released his first single on the radio he was doing freestyle on local radio like the WakeUp Show in the Bay and other shows. He would show his lyrical skill and he'd battle people openly and show how he could pull a real rhyme, that made sense, and sounded good. Then he went on to capitalize off the stupidity of people by exploiting their desire for controversy. He's a good artist and he's laughing his ass off everytime he goes to the bank.

Ludacris has some skills on a similar level as well, but he's quickly selling out to a pop style himself. Missy Elliot has always had skill, and been a respectable artist. Dr. Dre since his days in NWA has always been a great producer, be it Death Row or Aftermath, and he keeps the beats flowing. Snoop is a hack now. In '93 he was real with Doggystlye and Murda Was the Case. He'd rip the stage up at the Up In Smoke tours with Tha Dogg Pound and others. Canibus is one of the best lyricists ever - his problem is that he hasn't been able to come out with a decent album - ever. Nas, another popular artist, has always been true to himself and shows his skills through the mic - even if he does bite off Pac's style now and again. RZA is a thinking man who can pull a rhyme out of any word you throw to him. Method and Red, though they quickly sold out, are still great on the mic. There's plenty more I haven't thrown out there like Ice Cube and some others.

Rapping about money, cars, gold teeth, "bling bling", and getting women is not what real rap or hip hop is. That is what you call pop - no better than Britney Spears.

Kids these days need a reality check. If you like hip hop or rap, that's fine - but make sure you know the difference between that and pop music.

The one thing I can't stand is when people claim to be something or someone they aren't. If you think wearing baggy pants, a silver chain, walking with a stupid limp, and bumping Nelly or Lil' John on your radio makes you look hard - then you deserve to be shot.

If you want to appreciate rap for what it really is, then listen to some real artists. If you really want to get deeper into it, then listen to underground artists who do it for the love of music and not for the money. (ie: Andre Nickatina, Mac Dre, E 40, etc)
 
Originally posted by Roundman


Yeah, and also some black nationalist racist history, such as in the recent Nas hit (I think its called "I Can") where he argues that Egypt was black, and blames everything bad in the world on white Europeans. It was as accurate a portray of world hisory as Nazi historiography.

That song so makes me sick :vomit:

That is truly an example of racism in my book. If a white musician blamed all the world's problems of Africa, we would see him shot, but its ok because a black man does it :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Country is worse

Dude, old country with Nelson Cash and Jones, that was the awesomes!
 
Originally posted by amirsan


do you realy know what you are talking about? I think there are alot of other rappers that know wat they talking about. I think you forgot Tupac, Biggy, 50cent, eminem, and a whole bunch of others who are one of the most significant icons in the culture. ;) But I could understand u if you think those are ur favorite but they aint tha best. ;)

I was going off of currently living rappers. Tupac was damn good and had something to say which was a big plus in my book.

Biggy? Hmm... Never listened much to him.

Fitty Cent? Please. Would a 10th bullet have been too much to ask? Sounds like a backwood hick.

Eminem... I don't know. He used to be cool and funny but then he started taking himself way too seriously. He's cool with Manson though so whatever.

Hell, Snoop and Dre had some smooth songs but I still don't care much for either of them.
 
That is truly an example of racism in my book. If a white musician blamed all the world's problems of Africa, we would see him shot, but its ok because a black man does it

Such a discrimination has a basis in law.
Something that has to do with weak groups and strong groups, but I can't remember the exact phrasing.
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Such a discrimination has a basis in law.
Something that has to do with weak groups and strong groups, but I can't remember the exact phrasing.

He's saying that a white man making anti-black statements would be crucified by the media, not actually shot by the government. However, a black man can make a song based on racist lies and have a number one hit. That seems unfair in a society in which people are supposedly struggling for equality and multi-cultural diversity.
 
I think Chuck D is a good example of quality rap (/hiphop or whatever you want to label these genres)

I consider such people as Eminem and 50 to be in it for the money, the perhaps most are (they tend to talk a lot about it :p ), but there has to be just a LITTLE more depth to a lyric to impress me.

(:eek: weird shania twain assosiation from my last line above :eek: )
 
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