Who Will Be Mitt Romney's Running Mate? II -- The Home Stretch

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Who do you EXPECT Romney to select as his VP?

Poll closed Sep 1, 2012.
  1. Rob Portman

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Tim Pawlenty

    7 vote(s)
    21.2%
  3. Bobby Jindal

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
  4. Marco Rubio

    7 vote(s)
    21.2%
  5. Paul Ryan

    3 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. Condoleezza Rice

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  7. Other

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  1. Dreadnought

    Dreadnought Deity

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    Portman won the primary for Romney. He's been running Romney's campaign in Ohio since he clinched the nomination. He's pretty well regarded among the Democrats in the state (and in the Capitol, for that matter). He has many connections across the state; he won the Senate race by a significant margin.
     
  2. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    Dude, nearly a 3rd of the population in Ohio have no idea who Portman is. Even if he can give any boost (which I HIGHLY doubt, and I know the guy and lived there for 20 years), Kasich will rob him of any momentum.

    I think its JindaL.
     
  3. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Jindal seems like kind of a lightweight. And after Palin I can't see any hail mary type candidates being chosen.
     
  4. caketastydelish

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    Herman Cain would have been a decent choice if he stopped playing Pokemon so much.
     
  5. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    Rubio is obviously the best choice. He will help Romney win Florida, and help get more of the Hispanic vote. I hate to admit that the Republican party is very incompetent and does not realize that getting the Hispanic vote is essential to the survival of the RNC.
     
  6. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    They know it. They just can't overcome the bigotry of some and the pandering to bigotry by others.
     
  7. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    What are you even talking about?
     
  8. kramerfan86

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    People with the "go back to mexico" mindset.
     
  9. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    If you're here illegally from Mexico, you should be sent back, if you are here illegally from the United Kingdom you should be sent back.

    The Republican Party is not racist, and there are racists in the DNC as well, not as many, but there are some.
     
  10. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    It's not really believable that you don't know. But I'll humor you anyways. The Republicans are losing the Hispanic vote not because of social or economic policies, but because the Republicans as a whole cannot stop pandering to its bigot wing. So even though the bigotry is a declining thing amongst most Republicans, the Republican party as a whole behaves as though bigotry still rules because they give their scum elements disproportionate weight and power. And so you have Republicans refusing to even speak of making any immigration reform that doesn't require throwing millions of Hispanics out of the country. Hell, they won't even consider the Dream Act. And there is no conceivable motive outside of racism for that. Republicans often support policies like Arizona's immigration laws, and social spending cuts that disproportionately harm Hispanics (blacks as well, but what matters to Hispanics is policies that harm them), and the "English Only" laws are particularly offensive, since modern Hispanic immigrants, legal and not, are learning English at a faster rate then ever before. And much of these voter ID laws have as an intended purpose to disenfranchise people, a large portion of who are Hispanic.

    What it all adds up to is that the Republican party has set itself as severely hostile to Hispanics. And has done so for the purpose of pandering to the worst people in the United States. Expecting Hispanics to not increasingly being offended by that is like expecting blacks to suddenly embrace the Republicans who have done everything they can over the past 30 years to drive them as deep into poverty as possible.
     
  11. kramerfan86

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    Goes beyond that because in their determination to catch illegals (which is pointless if there is no immigration law to fix the overall situation) they drag legal citizens into it. There is no avoiding many legal hispanic citizens getting unnecessary questioning as a result of republican backed laws.
     
  12. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    I understand your point, although I didn't agree with all of what you said. I did not understand what you meant by "pandering to bigotry by others".
     
  13. NickyJ

    NickyJ Retired Narrator

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    No offense, but that actually makes me support him for that position more.

    Agreed. Rice; Jindal; and in my opinion, Ryan; are all extreme picks. Not extreme in the policy sense, but extreme in trying to drum up attention.

    Is questioning the worst that happens? I mean, seriously, questioning is basically nothing. Every day, there are legal, law-abiding citizens picked up for questioning for murders, robberies, and other crimes. I have yet to see any complaints about that, so I don't see what makes this any different.
     
  14. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    The remaining power base for the GOP is the South. For a variety of reasons, both southern and rural parts of our country remain less tolerant of people like themselves than do more metropolitan populations. I suppose that's true of most places on Earth; if you never encounter people unlike yourself, or your limited contact with certain other peoples results in a jaded view of them, then you're more likely to view those people with suspicion. It's a common tactic of conservative politicians to play upon these prejudices as a tool for manipulating people. If you have something people get really mad about; or better yet, are afraid of, then you can use that anger and fear to lead them into whatever you want them to do. It's also a divide and conquer strategy that keeps different groups from cooperating together, where their cooperation would threaten the power base of the demagogues (link included in case you don't know the word).
     
  15. Earthling

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    Pawlenty seems most probable but anyone's guess goes right now. Both Rubio and Pawlenty may not want to accept the VP nomination, for a few reasons but particularly the possible association with a losing Romney ticket hurting their chances at future bids. The public can't really assess this, and obviously the individuals' willingness would be told to the Romney campaign privately before another candidate is selected rather than a candidate being selected who then publicly declines. Rubio at least has already publicly expressed hesitation towards being VP. Jindal on the other hand is an ardent Romney supporter and definitely would be onboard. His selection would once again give the Republican ticket an appearance of novelty and diversity, so not counting him out. The others I think are more in the realm of dark horses.
     
  16. kramerfan86

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    Why should someone get regularly inconvenienced simply for being the member of a race? Sure the inconvenience is minor, but it shouldnt exist in the first place.
     
  17. Antilogic

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    I'm not sure how far up the ladder it goes. I'm willing to believe not all Republicans have jumped off the deep end. (Please Republicans, don't try to prove me wrong.)

    While this is true, note that no other state is as likely to be the tipping point as Ohio. The way I see it, of the real tossup and lean-D states, Romney's best chances are in Florida, then Virginia, then Ohio (I'm counting North Carolina and Indiana as already lean-R for this analysis). That gets him to 266. He then needs to win literally any other tossup (Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, maybe Wisconsin or Pennsylvania on the outside). Obama's chances are better than 60% in all those final tossups, I'd say better than 70% or 80% in some of them. If he misses Ohio, he's boned. Even if he gets Ohio, Virginia, and Florida, he still might be boned and lose 272-266 (which I see as a likely outcome, along with something like 303-235 where he loses the debates and only picks up Florida).

    Basically, he's saying that parts of the coalition they are trying to build don't really like each other, and it's hard to pander to one without offending the other.

    The South is... weird. Parts of the South are like that, but you have some bright spots in the cities (Atlanta, for example, which is pulling GA back to the center). Young professional types who are more likely to be left-leaning are also moving to the South, so the internal population migration is affecting the makeup of the region.

    I have more [semi-related] thoughts on the subject, but I'll save it for another thread.
     
  18. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

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    I love how CELTICEMPIRE just admitted that racism was more common in the Republican Party. :lol:

    It's cool. We all already knew that was the case.
     
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    The purpose of the IRS is to capture tax evaders. Occassionaly does the IRS question a family with decent credit and tax record? Yes, but that is to be expected.
     
  20. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Does the IRS goes out of its way to investigate ethnic minorities?
     

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