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Who won WW2?

Discussion in 'World History' started by aronnax, Aug 6, 2007.

  1. aronnax

    aronnax Let your spirit be free

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    lets imagine that Germany surrenders to the Allies, but Japan and American agree on a ceasefire instead of an unconditional surrender, who wins WWII?
     
  2. Maimonides

    Maimonides Emperor

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    Throughout it's involvement in WWII, the U.S. said it would only accept an unconditional surrender from Japan so a cease fire agreement is hard to imagine. If the U.S. had accepted a cease fire, Japan would have held on to large parts of China, Manchuria, Korea, Indochina & many Pacific islands that the U.S. had "leapfrogged" over... There wasn't any reason for the U.S. to accept only a cease fire so your imaginary scenario is difficult to imagine.
     
  3. Sofista

    Sofista card-carrying

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    Besides, wouldn't the Chinese have kept on fighting?
     
  4. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    A cease fire after Pearl Harbor or a Cease fire after Shuri Castle is captured? Can you be more specific?
     
  5. Sleepy_Sentry

    Sleepy_Sentry Chieftain

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    With the atom bomb so close to completion during the war, America had no need to ask for a cease fire.

    Believe it or not, but WWII is not over. Japan and Russia never signed a full peace treaty as they are in a dispute over a set of islands occupied by one of the countries.
     
  6. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    ^ We've had a topic about wars that "never finished", and WW2 was discussed there too. Technically, the Punic Wars aren't finished either, but I don't quite agree with that point of view. :)
     
  7. carmen510

    carmen510 Deity

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    Yes, remember the Montenegro vs. Japan in WW1? :lol:

    And a cease-fire is hard to imagine. Maybe if it was Germany and D-day failed... ;)
     
  8. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    It isn't Japan would be agreeing to a ceasfire, it would be the United States. But they WOULDN'T agree to one, hence the whole "unconditional surrender" thing. ;)
     
  9. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Well, the war with Japan could likely have been avoided in the first place, had the diplomats been clear on what they actually meant. I remember reading that for sanctions to be dropped, the US required that Japan withdraw from all of mainland China. However, this, in American eyes, did not include the greater Manchurian territories, which Japan refused to give up.

    There was a far greater chance of stopping the war before it ever began than there was of a post-Pearl Harbour Peace Treaty.
     
  10. spammikone

    spammikone Warlord

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    The people.
     
  11. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    Except for a few hundred million Chinese, Indochinese, Koreans...
     
  12. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    Oceania and Eastasia.

    If not in name, then at least in spirit. Only a government as manipulative, two-faced as the governments of 1984 could possibly have manaved to get the American to sign a cease-fire with Japan (and likely the other way around for Japan).
     
  13. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Eh, they all look the same, so they don't count.
     
  14. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    But their names sound different. So they do count.
     
  15. spammikone

    spammikone Warlord

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    World war 2 had between 50 and 80 million casualties. In your scenario Japanese government would been overthrown by crazy genociders?
     
  16. Case

    Case The horror, the horror

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    The US's basic war aim in the Pacific was to force Japan to give up the territory it had conqured, so the Allies win. However, as has been pointed out above, the US wasn't going to settle for anything less than unconditional surrender by 1945.
     
  17. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    Ummm What?
     
  18. West 36

    West 36 Can count up to 4

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    Agreed, the whole situation just seems unlikely, especially since America had momentum going in its favor since Midway, yes it slowed and there were many difficult battles, they were still moving forward.
    Exactly, these guys weren't exactly ready to quit because U.S. would.

    They're still in dispute? I thought they settled that, or am I thinking early 20th century?

    Well since both sides doen't exist... perhaps if Tunsia and Italy change their names for a day they can work some sort of treaty out?
     
  19. ParkCungHee

    ParkCungHee Deity

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    Depends on the conditions. The OP is hopelessly vague. The chances for a cease fire and conditional peace with the liberation of all of Japan's conquests after 1872, was easily attainable, and its unfortunate that it wasn't taken up.
     

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