ParkCungHee said:
Uh-huh...you know by your definition I'm very closely related to royalty.
You do? Congratulations
But royalty isn't an ethnic group AFAIK.
HannibalBarka said:
I also know that, but I disagree with the use of this politically. The Palestinians can also claim the exact same thing: they were driven out of their homes in 1948, lost 80% of what was their home and fear about not even getting the 20% left. they have got a place even smaller than that of the Israeli
I'm not advocating the political usage of the holocaust or other atrocities politically, I'm just explaining why we fear for Israel.
And the comparison you gave is somewhat true, but remember that Palestinians never viewed themselves as a nation or even an ethnic group before 48.
They were muslim arabs, many saw themselves as Jodanians, some Egyptians, all under British rule. In general 1948 is Britain's fault
So, Palestinians DO have many countries that they can melt into. Ethnically.
Also, remember that many jews were expelled from arab states from 48 onwards, so that is a tie.
I notice that we recently have much less trouble with the whole west bank than we do in Gaza.
I'm all for the creation of a Palestinian state. Now convince the leaders..
HannibalBarka said:
the actual mutual hatred won't go without a peace agreement like in any other conflict. My wife's grand mother still hate the Germans to this very day because of WW II
True. I hope someone pushes both sides to a deal.
I still think demonization is far greater on many arab nations.
We have our rasists and smooth talkers. I know.
HannibalBarka said:
Hamas are scum but Israel Beitunu peace plan isn't better. How do you think a Palestinian react to the transfer idea of Mr Liebermann?
Mr Liberman isn't Hamas, but he's certainly not far.
However, whereas Hamas won the elections in Gaza, Liberman got 15 mandates (of 120), like many far-right parties in the EU.
About the "transfer" idea, I'll say it's a bad idea, because it's impracticallity mostly, and of course it will be rejected by the PA.
But it is not entirely unfair - The PA want us to remove more than 100,000 settlers from their territory. Liberman claims he want to "return" the same amount of Palestinians from Israel proper (not everyone fled in 48
).
I'm not saying I support his POV, far from it, but that it is not as "evil" as it is usually remarked on. Still, he's a fascist to me, and he's not prime minister
HannibalBarka said:
I accept... that was not correct of me.
but sometimes it does feel like the whole world is against us, and even the US shuts it's mouth.