Why are the Greeks in this game?

[Thormodr]

You can find something "disturbingly wrong" with nearly every culture/people/nation/civilization/etc.

Look at your garbage can for starters.

Bingo. Exactly right.

 

[Me,myself,and,I]

Keep in mind the the age of majority was much lower in Greece, like 14 or 16.

 

[BeardedWonder]

I registered just to be able to beg you to please learn the difference between:

there
their
they're

Thank you.

EDIT: ok, ok... that's not the only reason. I've been lurking here for some time and I'm fully excited for Civ5!

Well said and welcome to the forums

 

[Ranbir]

The Rule of Law is a very Greek thing. Foundation of what we have today. No-man is above the Law.

 

[Drawmeus]

Greece as a civ in the game includes Macedonia [I am not touching the argument over whether the real Macedonians should be considered Greek or not in actual history], and Macedonian Greece under Alexander conquered an empire that stretched into India, covering an enormous swath of territory comparable to the land area controlled by the Roman Empire at its height.

 

[Me,myself,and,I]

Yay, Law!

 

[Mannu]

I`m not opposed to having a greek playable faction

umm... that's exactly what you mean.

Epic troll is epic.

 

[monsterfurby]

"Why are the Greek in a game called 'Civilization'?"

Seriously?

Come on. It's one of the mature ancient civilizations. I still can't decide whether the OP is trolling or uneducated.

 

[timtofly]

"Why are the Greek in a game called 'Civilization'?"

Seriously?

Come on. It's one of the mature ancient civilizations. I still can't decide whether the OP is trolling or uneducated.

Both he and the Greeks were educated.

 

[Ogrelord]

Come on. It's one of the mature ancient civilizations. I still can't decide whether the OP is trolling or uneducated.

he's just mimicking (mocking?) others who are butthurt because their "fav" Civs aren't in the original 18. These fews are coming up with ridiculous quantifying reasons which Civs should be a Civilization and which should not. They don't even realized that Firaxis needs to hold some back for DLCs and Expansions. It's tactical marketing.

 

[Guardian_PL]

he's just mimicking (mocking?) others who are butthurt because their "fav" Civs aren't in the original 18. These fews are coming up with ridiculous quantifying reasons which Civs should be a Civilization and which should not. They don't even realized that Firaxis needs to hold some back for DLCs and Expansions. It's tactical marketing.

Yeah, I'm sure that they'll add Poland on Christmas, isn't it obvious?
Those jokers from Firaxis, they keep screwing with us Poles and call it tactical marketing

 

[member66170]

Unlike most people who have posted in this thread, I have actually bothered to read the OP and not just the title.


I, however, still disagree with him. The greeks entirely deserve their reputation as the fathers of Western Culture in its widest sense. I am also tired of seeing the 'USA#1' crowd saying that a bunch of other civs are barbarians and hence shouldn't be in; but just because they're arguments are wrong doesn't mean that their point is wrong too. I would much rather see Spain in the game than Iroquois and have the Inca's instead of the Aztec's. Why? Not because I dislike those two civs (which I would like to see in civ5 - just not as one of the top 18), but because they've had more impact on the world and were more developed culturally/scientifically.
It would also allow less absurd UUs/UBs/UAs.

 

[cr0ws]

The Rule of Law is a very Greek thing. Foundation of what we have today. No-man is above the Law.

There are two types of laws my friend...man-made laws with loopholes and weaknesses....and natures laws with no loopholes or weaknesses.

 

[celticfc21]

There would be no way the Greeks wouldn't be included in the game. The empire created by Alexander the Great was huge and the Diadochi that succeeded him incorporated Greek thinking into this entire area of the world. Thus, each land conquered by Alexander became partially Greek. Also, the Romans copied much of what the Greeks did, and the Renaissance was a revival of Greek and Roman ideas. To not have them in the game would be absurd.

 

[IdleEnergy]

Yeah, I'm sure that they'll add Poland on Christmas, isn't it obvious?
Those jokers from Firaxis, they keep screwing with us Poles and call it tactical marketing

I heard they're holding Poland back for when they come up with a partition mechanic in diplomacy.

It's not tactical marketing, it's realism.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Hmmm. The Persian War-Peloponesian War (Athenian Golded Age) Greeks could propbably be reduced to city-states as that is what they were and had very little national unity which could constitute an empire, however the Alexandrian Greeks were united and took over most of the world that they were familiar with. Both have legacies which are relevant in Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, and the Americas to this day.

BTW, the only reason they are much-celebrated is because their cultural descendants (Europeans and those of European descent) nearly dominated the globe in the last two centuries. The Greek culture happens to be a point of interest for scholars, philosophers, and historians and was relatively well documented, hence easy to study. It's hard to venerate a culture who left little to no evidence of their activities.

 

[alpaca]

There are two types of laws my friend...man-made laws with loopholes and weaknesses....and natures laws with no loopholes or weaknesses.

You should try studying physics for a few years, nature doesn't obey laws, the "natural laws" are just things we make up to try to describe how nature behaves

As for the topic: To be honest I don't care much which factions are in the game. I have no preferences and would in fact like to see many different factions as the franchise progresses. The Greeks and especially their philosophers did imprint themselves very strongly on Middle Eastern and European culture. The Romans took a large portion of Greek culture and made it their own.

In the middle ages, Europe re-discovered Greek philosophy (especially Aristotle and Plato) - which had been kept alive in the Muslim world - and built their own philosophical theories on their basis. Scholasticism, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment were literally (excuse the pun) built upon Greek philosophy.

 

[cr0ws]

You should try studying physics for a few years, nature doesn't obey laws, the "natural laws" are just things we make up to try to describe how nature behaves

As for the topic: To be honest I don't care much which factions are in the game. I have no preferences and would in fact like to see many different factions as the franchise progresses. The Greeks and especially their philosophers did imprint themselves very strongly on Middle Eastern and European culture. The Romans took a large portion of Greek culture and made it their own.

In the middle ages, Europe re-discovered Greek philosophy (especially Aristotle and Plato) - which had been kept alive in the Muslim world - and built their own philosophical theories on their basis. Scholasticism, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment were literally (excuse the pun) built upon Greek philosophy.

Nature does follow laws, everything has a path and pattern, even though human intellect is limited to sense every one of these patterns and laws, just the simplest which we define in chemistry, biology, PHYSICS etc, it will always repeat and everything has a plotted course, and it will always bind everything in this dimension. Otherwise this world would have collapsed upon itself long ago.

I mean seriously, why am I even trying to explain this to you, youre the guy that didn't know there is space junk orbiting around earth.

 

[Ogrelord]

Yeah, I'm sure that they'll add Poland on Christmas, isn't it obvious?
Those jokers from Firaxis, they keep screwing with us Poles and call it tactical marketing

Wonder why Europa Universalis III is popular in Poland?

Spoiler :

'Cause they have huge land, including a personal union with Lithuania.

I would much rather see Spain in the game than Iroquois and have the Inca's instead of the Aztec's. Why? Not because I dislike those two civs (which I would like to see in civ5 - just not as one of the top 18), but because they've had more impact on the world and were more developed culturally/scientifically.
It would also allow less absurd UUs/UBs/UAs.

You are underestimating the Marketing department. If let's say for CiV, they have a total list of 30 playable Civs, but they're are just including original 18 like they did with cIV. Are you going to put the top 18 most popular Civs in the original game? Of course not. You need to withhold some incentives for future DLCs and Expansions. Really, would Expansion 1 be appealing if it come with the least known, or pseudo-Civs according to some ?

Just be glad they don't sell the game at current retail with no playable Civs, then charging for 0.99$ DLC for each single Civilization to be able to play.

 

[Auncien]

I use to admire ancient Greek culture when I was a young man, but as I matured and read more about the world`s history I slowly became more and more irritated by the aura surrounding them. We are told that their accomplishments set the basis of Western art, philosophy, government, and society, but I found these statements to be either a legacy of 19th century thinking, propaganda, worthless to begin with (art & philosophy), or a lie.
I have posted previous statements discussing this topic, but the responses I received were mostly nonsensical rants and comments of absurdity. I`m not opposed to having a greek playable faction, I just do not like the absolute hypocrisy people have when criticizing other civilizations, as in the case of the Aztecs (There city states!), Iroquois (There not a large empire!) and Songhai or Siam (There a regional power!).

Let's see you invent geometry.