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Why bother voting anymore?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Xanikk999, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    After today I don't see the democrats as representing the middle class or disadvantaged American. They have proven themselves incapable of resisting the republican parties agenda and have passed the debt ceiling plan in the house that does very little to trim unnecessary fat from the budget.

    Not nearly enough was cut from the defense budget and worse democrats caved into no tax increases and cutting social security programs and educational spending.

    I can conclude that democrats don't care about the platform they campaigned on and Obama has proven himself unable to do nearly anything he promised in his campaign pledge, sometimes he even went against his ideology so he seems to be more conservative than he appeared to be.

    Why bother voting anymore? I have a choice between cowardly democrats who appear to have a favorable ideology but go against what they beileve in anyway and republicans who have an ideology that is socially conservative and fiscally disastrous.
     
  2. NickyJ

    NickyJ Retired Narrator

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    Because, as with just about all voting these days, you aren't really voting for a candidate; you're voting against the other candidate. At least that's my experience from the whole thing. I find Democrat policies to be the most horrendous at the polls. Republicans are usually better, so I vote for the Republican. Even though I sometimes find the Republican candidate to be pretty bad, I almost always find the Democrat to be worse, so I vote against the Democrat by voting for the Republican.
     
  3. Defiant47

    Defiant47 Peace Sentinel

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    The problem isn't the politicians being weaselly; it's the propaganda spread by the opposite side.

    If the Democrats had greater support from the public, they wouldn't need to worry about the Republican agenda.
     
  4. Bestbank Tiger

    Bestbank Tiger Deity

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    After today? What took so long to figure it out?
     
  5. NickyJ

    NickyJ Retired Narrator

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    Rats. I forgot to ask that question myself. :lol:
     
  6. GoodGame

    GoodGame Red, White, & Blue, baby!

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    Vote in the party primaries!!!!!!!!!! Get your candidate the party nomination.
     
  7. Tani Coyote

    Tani Coyote Son of Huehuecoyotl

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    Not voting enriches the candidate you dislike the most.

    It also entrenches the system.

    We complain about the system being bad and stop voting.

    That just makes it worse - the less people voting, the less politicians have to worry about losing power. As a result, they can continue to be total corrupt, narrowminded, inconsiderate buffoons.

    If we swamped the primaries of legislators every time they betrayed us so his opponent was elected, we'd change Washington quick - everyone who wasn't thrown out would see where the wind was blowing and stick to their promises.
     
  8. Bestbank Tiger

    Bestbank Tiger Deity

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    Seriously...the D's need their own version of the Tea Party. If I wanted a neocon or a country club Republican I'd vote for one. I'm sure Jeb or George P. is going to be on the ballot sooner or later.
     
  9. The_Tyrant

    The_Tyrant Values Guardian

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    :goodjob: I agree, my advice to the OP is to stop voting.
     
  10. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    What really pisses me the frak off in all this situation is that even the so called 'liberal press' lie through their teeth and claim the Democratic party has moved to the left.
     
  11. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    I don't live in America, so this isn't a problem.
     
  12. choxorn

    choxorn Watermelon Headcrab

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    The Problem is, the Right-Wing Propaganda Machine (TM) is so efficient it's able to make the Extreme Right look reasonable, paint the Center as Insane, and make a significant number of people actually believe it. The Left-Wing Tea Party could never manage to get enough support from elsewhere to do that. The Right-Wing Tea Party just managed to be liked by MegaCorp (TM) and the RWPM to look legit and not insane in the eyes of some voters.
     
  13. Tani Coyote

    Tani Coyote Son of Huehuecoyotl

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    Republicans just use their resources more efficiently, whether they're in power or not.

    Whenever Republican politicians say Democratic politicians support waste and inefficiency, I don't think they're talking about the government programs. I think they're talking about the Democrats' political cohesion and ability to use a majority.
     
  14. Neonanocyborgasm

    Neonanocyborgasm Deity

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    Democracy in this case is working, because all the Tea Party Republicans who made the demands they did and caused this false crisis were all elected by their constituents. So those who elected them can be blamed. The same goes for everyone who elected Republicans into office. It is the Republicans who prevent the Democrats from enacting their policies, so those who wish favor onto Democrats can blame the people who elected the opposing party. The Democrats would find more strength to act on their promises if they knew they had the people's votes on their side.
     
  15. Godwynn

    Godwynn March to the Sea

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    Living in Chicago, I don't even have to leave my apartment to vote.

    Multiple times.


    Hell yeah.
     
  16. BasketCase

    BasketCase Username sez it all

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    Yeah, those 199,999,999 other American voters are turning out to be a real monkey wrench in the system.....

    There are three solutions: accept this system, move to another country that has a different one, or create a new political party--call it the Xanikrats :D--and run for office yourself.
     
  17. Defiant47

    Defiant47 Peace Sentinel

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    Solution 1: failed. If the system creates inequities, and has no manner of being changed (i.e. via elections), then the system cannot be "accepted".

    Solution 2: will fail if a person is patriotic and loyal enough to the country, especially if they'd rather try to stay and fix it.

    Solution 3: will fail. The rich in our world (and the U.S.) have immense power, and that extends to political power as well. Influence through the media, party donations, and economic dependencies assure that the political parties favouring the rich gain popularity, or at least organizational effectiveness to render any new party or opposing idea unheard of and irrelevant.

    The only solution is to rally around a party that already has enough organization to have a chance. Except there's only one of them, and they like compromising big time, due to the heavy-handed influence of the opposing party.
     
  18. Singularity

    Singularity Infinite Density

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    Or the liberal democrats could get out on the streets and squares and challenge the tea party. Saying it on Twitter obviously isn't enough. Blaming it on the president who got backstabbed in the midterm elections by the same people who voted him into the office in the first place is quite daft at least. People said the tea party would eventually hurt the GOP, but I think they're more of a benefit. At least for now.
     
  19. BasketCase

    BasketCase Username sez it all

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    Which the American system already has. The Constitution spells out very clearly how to go about changing the system.

    Then they're accepting the current system by default.

    If that was true, Obama never would have gotten elected in the first place. The claim that solution #3 is fail, is fail.

    That's option #1 in disguise: accepting the current system. Also, keep this in mind: the only reason that opposing party has "heavy-handed influence" is because the voters gave it to them. It's what the voters want.

    They been there and done that. Getting out in the streets and getting noisy when they don't get their way has been their method for decades. The Tea Party is merely beating them at their own game. :D
     
  20. JtheJackal

    JtheJackal Emperor

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    If you have given up on Democrats for running the country or lack of fighting Republicans at least vote for them for this. They are not socially conservative, they do not let socially conservative stuff go through easily and usually at all and we need moral, smart people in government to at least prevent us from becoming a fundamentalist nightmare.
     

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