Civ4Brains
imperfectus
ok so i'm attempting my first proper game of Civ4 (vanilla) having learnt the basic flow and mechanics of the game in numerous short trial runs (think demo short. I've read a lot of material in the forums, Sisiutil's strategy guide and of course, the manual! but there comes a point where you just have to start playing.
However, I now need a little advice/reassurance that the particular action just undertaken by the AI has some logic to it because there is nothing more annoying to a new player than not understanding how and why certain things occur - particulary something as important as war.
So, the facts: I'm Playing as Bismarck, standard size pangaea map, warlord against 6 other civs - Isabella, Catherine, Montezuma, Alexander, Tokugawa and Huayna.
Things were going well, i guess, but have just got to the point where Cathy declared war on me and i can't quite figure out why. She started out 'pleased' with me, moving to cautious despite more green/positve modifiers listed when hovering over her portrait. I'm not sure when the switch point occured, but at 250BC (the attached save game) she liked our 'years of peace', open borders and shared faith (confucianism, my founding religion). The one negative was border tension - she settled a city a bit earlier on near my borders, not the otherway round (if that makes a difference?).
I don't believe she was capable of flipping my city since the stats show i was soaring ahead of everyone in culture - i believe i started to steal some tiles from her in fact (does this annoy AI's?). It was also this city which was first swayed by my religion, a few turns later becoming her state religion - my doin i guess?
I can't remember exactly how long after, but not that much, she declares war (wierd thing was our trade of clams for wine initiated by her only two turns before!! first trade of the entire match as well. go figure).
I'm scoring top by at least a hundred points whilst she ranks 3rd and we are on roughly level pegging in the Power charts of the stats screen (power means what exactly?). I would admit by eye i had fewer, less powerful troops and the info screen shows i rank low for troops. Is that enough motivation for her to start an attack? perhaps militarily just weak?
Perhaps, the border tension would be enough to entirely negate our positive diplomatic relations? In which case why assign values to each one if -2 is apparently greater than +5 ?
Admitedly, she is labelled 'cautious' but that doesn't seem to align with the many positive things she has to say about me, including shared faith. I got the impression from my Civ4 research that religion heavily affected AI decisions - not as much as I thought?
Or is the system even more genius than i thought AI could be - she knows it's my founding religion so she converts to have me think we're buddy buddy only to use that time to develop a sneak attack against me knowing that militarily she can probably beat me since my efforts appear more culture based. or am i giving the AI TOO much credit here?
I read in the forums Cathy is known to be a backstabber? in which case, are there AI "personalities", independent from the very clearly labelled and described leader 'traits' (ie. creative, industrious, spiritual, aggressive etc.), which you just have to discover through play?
I've attached the save for 250BC because I managed to overwrite the later date when the war broke out but i would appreciate anyone having a look at the game to know their thoughts on the diplomatic situation.
*also, why is no one fricking trading with me?
despite the confusion i'm still loving the game
However, I now need a little advice/reassurance that the particular action just undertaken by the AI has some logic to it because there is nothing more annoying to a new player than not understanding how and why certain things occur - particulary something as important as war.
So, the facts: I'm Playing as Bismarck, standard size pangaea map, warlord against 6 other civs - Isabella, Catherine, Montezuma, Alexander, Tokugawa and Huayna.
Things were going well, i guess, but have just got to the point where Cathy declared war on me and i can't quite figure out why. She started out 'pleased' with me, moving to cautious despite more green/positve modifiers listed when hovering over her portrait. I'm not sure when the switch point occured, but at 250BC (the attached save game) she liked our 'years of peace', open borders and shared faith (confucianism, my founding religion). The one negative was border tension - she settled a city a bit earlier on near my borders, not the otherway round (if that makes a difference?).
I don't believe she was capable of flipping my city since the stats show i was soaring ahead of everyone in culture - i believe i started to steal some tiles from her in fact (does this annoy AI's?). It was also this city which was first swayed by my religion, a few turns later becoming her state religion - my doin i guess?
I can't remember exactly how long after, but not that much, she declares war (wierd thing was our trade of clams for wine initiated by her only two turns before!! first trade of the entire match as well. go figure).
I'm scoring top by at least a hundred points whilst she ranks 3rd and we are on roughly level pegging in the Power charts of the stats screen (power means what exactly?). I would admit by eye i had fewer, less powerful troops and the info screen shows i rank low for troops. Is that enough motivation for her to start an attack? perhaps militarily just weak?
Perhaps, the border tension would be enough to entirely negate our positive diplomatic relations? In which case why assign values to each one if -2 is apparently greater than +5 ?
Admitedly, she is labelled 'cautious' but that doesn't seem to align with the many positive things she has to say about me, including shared faith. I got the impression from my Civ4 research that religion heavily affected AI decisions - not as much as I thought?
Or is the system even more genius than i thought AI could be - she knows it's my founding religion so she converts to have me think we're buddy buddy only to use that time to develop a sneak attack against me knowing that militarily she can probably beat me since my efforts appear more culture based. or am i giving the AI TOO much credit here?
I read in the forums Cathy is known to be a backstabber? in which case, are there AI "personalities", independent from the very clearly labelled and described leader 'traits' (ie. creative, industrious, spiritual, aggressive etc.), which you just have to discover through play?
I've attached the save for 250BC because I managed to overwrite the later date when the war broke out but i would appreciate anyone having a look at the game to know their thoughts on the diplomatic situation.
*also, why is no one fricking trading with me?
despite the confusion i'm still loving the game