Why do American farmers love pushing the big red "destroy me" button

[soundjata]

there is no hope , let everything burn and the immoral people will survive by serving their overlords . Through dragging down the rebel and the loyal , the cynic and the naive , the Right and the Left with them . Republicans killed tens of thousands of their own attacking the coronavirus measures .

There is hope, otherwise the word "hope" would be meaningless

 

[r16]

everywhere one turns , there is decadence no honest person can get and if you are not decadent you are not a person and so on and so forth . Do not get stuck on r16 nihilism , ı hate the entire High Republic storyline about the Nihil or whatever . So , like the immoral will take everybody down to have achieved something in life . Showing the idiots with morals .

 

[amadeus]

land is the source of wealth

Physiocracy is making a comeback!

Let’s go Turgot! Powdered wigs and a single tax on land!

 

[soundjata]

everywhere one turns , there is decadence no honest person can get and if you are not decadent you are not a person and so on and so forth . Do not get stuck on r16 nihilism , ı hate the entire High Republic storyline about the Nihil or whatever . So , like the immoral will take everybody down to have achieved something in life . Showing the idiots with morals .

Decay goes hand in hand with bloom though.

 

[r16]

russian land with miserable farmers manages to survive the best the West can throw at them at the moment . If land is like no longer important why the godbillionaires are buying it ?

 

[EnglishEdward]

i have no idea what you're on about. you've repeatingly moved the goalposts of your question. this problem goes way beyond trump.

Not me.

are their social inclinations really so strong that they will burn their own country to get one ups on them smarmy city dwellers/social pariahs - that both don't actually think about them that much & when they do, are actively sending them money to not die.

The farmers in the UK take the view that they work very hard growing the food so the city dwellers don't die.

 

[Angst]

Not me.


The farmers in the UK take the view that they work very hard growing the food so the city dwellers don't die.

ok. so why do farmers in america vote for the party that destroys their ability to do this

 

[Birdjaguar]

I've already told you.

 

[Angst]

I've already told you.

and i will probably have to accept that as an answer, yes, everything, everything, everything points towards that behavior. that's the expression of policy is that it's ok to basically go and waste, if only you can get to see the deplorables and the libs have it slightly worse.

i'm simply really hoping for someone to show me a real, material, rational reason that isn't just politics of spite.

like - i was of the position that the reasoning was the answer you outlined before i made the thread.

everyone and their mum screams at me from that countryside, telling me farmers aren't ridiculous and dumb, and i want to have that position. can someone please give me a reason to not treat them like idiots (besides the obvious rhetorical utility)?

 

[r16]

spite is the only reason as it seems . We had a recent thread here or part of a thread where people defended a joke on why Whites shouldn't vote . In an era it is an absolute black and white argument that some cabal is destroying the White race or something . It doesn't exist , its inventors and operators are Whites themselves out to destroy all sorts of coloured people but yeah , it is real because people are made to believe it is real . Everybody is touchy , looking for the signs that the other is plotting to stab the enemy in the back . They are idiots , the farmers and whatnot . That doesn't make your side non-idiots .

 

[amadeus]

We had a recent thread here or part of a thread where people defended a joke on why Whites shouldn't vote .

Quality Bantz™ from @Lexicus — I got a good laugh out of it and the ensuing posts that followed.

can someone please give me a reason to not treat them like idiots (besides the obvious rhetorical utility)?

From my point of view, I would not be able to grow enough food to feed myself if I depended on it.

 

[r16]

uh oh already needs the clear warning that it is not my view or something

Spoiler :

Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers? (This is the title , the one below is part of the poem thing)

Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?

For they are sluggish men,
Living, against an ever-changing world
Standing sturdy like adobe walls
Droughty like thistles
and resisting, indifferently.

They're dumb, rude and sly.
They lie, with belief and with ease
Even they've got money
They've a talent to look in need.
They underestimate everything, they curse everyone.
The rain, the wind and the sun
They cannot think about for one day
Without thinking of their crops
And they plough each other's lands' borders
Trying to enlarge theirs



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they beat their wives
Their voice is not soft
While they're bullied outside, they become bullies in their houses
They don't read the papers, and stand up
Against injustice, only when they're the ones suffering from it
Even they've got a fountain, everywhere in their villages
They don't wear clean clothes, and always
Walk around with shabby beards
They can't raise their children well
They don't have books, music and art in their houses
They don't brush their teeth for one day
And take their hats off only before sleep.



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they fight when their dogs scuffle with each other
They visit each others' houses
Only for weddings and funerals
They feel ashamed singing a song, or grieving
Laughing is a disgrace, having fun is a weakness
Only when they drink, they become emotional and cry
Beneath a shell of a thousand years,
Their hearts left like kerosene lamps.
They deceive each other continuosly,
With a fear of being deceived.
If they have to go some place
They walk at least ten paces in front from their wives
And as a sign of masculinity
They beat their wives, in the middle of everyone.



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they vote for the wrong parties
Weirdly, they make fun of their own
And believe in outsiders.
The state for them is the Deed Office, bank debt and hospitals
They're afraid from the state and turn tricks to it the most.
They're brave enough, to beat officers in the army
But in the presence of an official -which is strange-
They suffer.
When talked about inflation, they know the prices of wheat and fertilizers
For eleven months a year, leaning against a mosque wall,
A coffeehouse or a tree, they await for blessings.
They're religious with a fear of judgement,
But they are toughies enough to see
A woman's breasts from her heels.
After the harvest, every year,
They go to the city!



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they remove their shoes on the buses
Among the smells of feet and mouth, set up on chairs
Annoying everybody, with a high pitch voice
They tell of their daughters' misfortune
And their useless sons.
Even they suffer in poverty, with gratitude
They believe it's the God's blessing.
And like talking about something petty, in every chance they get
With an unseen pride, they talk about their wealthy relatives
Who are living in a city far away.
They're polite enough to dine in a restaurant
But the minute they're on the streets,
They spit around.
And with amazement at cleanliness and order,
They talk about how living in a city is good.



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?

For they go to sleep in the first night.
Glancing at the stars at midnights,
They don't have a passion to think about other worlds.
They love the sky, if it rains in the spring
And the sun, if the summer grows their crops.
Their imagination is short, and they don't believe in anything new
Without witnessing its outcomes
-Even if it's a high yield crop-
They don't contribute to the world's improvement.
Addicted to their possessions passionately,
The future of this country,
is under their holding.

And they stand like a piece of rock, watertight
Afront the deep rivers of time...

TELL US, HOW DO WE SAVE THE VILLAGERS?

anything that sounds familiar ? In Denmark no spitting in the streets most probably . ı squeezed the lines a bit after copy pasting from website about translating lyrics , probably not its real structure and stuff . Most probably from the times some nations in the world were landing on other worlds . When they go to the city after the harvest , those beacons of morality during the whole year , commit adultery because they can afford it only then . Seeing breasts from heels is most definitely not a lost art and they will resist ... When the "agricultural engineer" tries to show them a new method that will increase the crop yield and make them richer . Or indeed voting for the wrong party when the Leftists are plotting to give them their own land by taking it from big landlords . Will oppose that beating officers in the army thing , they will quickly learn that's a mistake as the Army makes them disappear forever . But real scared of people with power . And voting to ruin the country like up there in the end .

 

[EnglishEdward]

ok. so why do farmers in america vote for the party that destroys their ability to do this

because city liberals keep insulting them, so they are voting for the party that is not that of city liberals

 

[Snowygerry]

uh oh already needs the clear warning that it is not my view or something

Spoiler :

Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers? (This is the title , the one below is part of the poem thing)

Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?

For they are sluggish men,
Living, against an ever-changing world
Standing sturdy like adobe walls
Droughty like thistles
and resisting, indifferently.

They're dumb, rude and sly.
They lie, with belief and with ease
Even they've got money
They've a talent to look in need.
They underestimate everything, they curse everyone.
The rain, the wind and the sun
They cannot think about for one day
Without thinking of their crops
And they plough each other's lands' borders
Trying to enlarge theirs



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they beat their wives
Their voice is not soft
While they're bullied outside, they become bullies in their houses
They don't read the papers, and stand up
Against injustice, only when they're the ones suffering from it
Even they've got a fountain, everywhere in their villages
They don't wear clean clothes, and always
Walk around with shabby beards
They can't raise their children well
They don't have books, music and art in their houses
They don't brush their teeth for one day
And take their hats off only before sleep.



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they fight when their dogs scuffle with each other
They visit each others' houses
Only for weddings and funerals
They feel ashamed singing a song, or grieving
Laughing is a disgrace, having fun is a weakness
Only when they drink, they become emotional and cry
Beneath a shell of a thousand years,
Their hearts left like kerosene lamps.
They deceive each other continuosly,
With a fear of being deceived.
If they have to go some place
They walk at least ten paces in front from their wives
And as a sign of masculinity
They beat their wives, in the middle of everyone.



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they vote for the wrong parties
Weirdly, they make fun of their own
And believe in outsiders.
The state for them is the Deed Office, bank debt and hospitals
They're afraid from the state and turn tricks to it the most.
They're brave enough, to beat officers in the army
But in the presence of an official -which is strange-
They suffer.
When talked about inflation, they know the prices of wheat and fertilizers
For eleven months a year, leaning against a mosque wall,
A coffeehouse or a tree, they await for blessings.
They're religious with a fear of judgement,
But they are toughies enough to see
A woman's breasts from her heels.
After the harvest, every year,
They go to the city!



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?



For they remove their shoes on the buses
Among the smells of feet and mouth, set up on chairs
Annoying everybody, with a high pitch voice
They tell of their daughters' misfortune
And their useless sons.
Even they suffer in poverty, with gratitude
They believe it's the God's blessing.
And like talking about something petty, in every chance they get
With an unseen pride, they talk about their wealthy relatives
Who are living in a city far away.
They're polite enough to dine in a restaurant
But the minute they're on the streets,
They spit around.
And with amazement at cleanliness and order,
They talk about how living in a city is good.



Why Do We Have To Kill the Villagers?

For they go to sleep in the first night.
Glancing at the stars at midnights,
They don't have a passion to think about other worlds.
They love the sky, if it rains in the spring
And the sun, if the summer grows their crops.
Their imagination is short, and they don't believe in anything new
Without witnessing its outcomes
-Even if it's a high yield crop-
They don't contribute to the world's improvement.
Addicted to their possessions passionately,
The future of this country,
is under their holding.

And they stand like a piece of rock, watertight
Afront the deep rivers of time...

TELL US, HOW DO WE SAVE THE VILLAGERS?

anything that sounds familiar ? In Denmark no spitting in the streets most probably . ı squeezed the lines a bit after copy pasting from website about translating lyrics , probably not its real structure and stuff . Most probably from the times some nations in the world were landing on other worlds . When they go to the city after the harvest , those beacons of morality during the whole year , commit adultery because they can afford it only then . Seeing breasts from heels is most definitely not a lost art and they will resist ... When the "agricultural engineer" tries to show them a new method that will increase the crop yield and make them richer . Or indeed voting for the wrong party when the Leftists are plotting to give them their own land by taking it from big landlords . Will oppose that beating officers in the army thing , they will quickly learn that's a mistake as the Army makes them disappear forever . But real scared of people with power . And voting to ruin the country like up there in the end .

Bravo - I hear the voice of Bob Dylan when I read it
is it Turkish ?

 

[Angst]

because city liberals keep insulting them, so they are voting for the party that is not that of city liberals

i know from this thread it might not seem like it, but the idea that city liberals spend their days mocking the countryside is a rural fantasy. the perception doesn't actually reflect reality. but the story of snooty liberal city insults very much is alive and circulated in talk radio, and is also circulated among its listeners and understood to be a trope in the city. if you mock the countryside urbanite to urbanite, chances are you're told you need to believe in the heart of the countryside and need to wield silk gloves and coddle their emotions. but...

talking the countryside up to be a rustic truehearted land causes them to vote to destroy themselves, talking about them plainly causes them to destroy themselves, ignoring them causes them to destroy themselves and making fun of them causes them to destroy themselves. or, at least, either behavior doesn't seem to relate to their voting patterns.

it's also, importantly, not a material reason

 

[Angst]

From my point of view, I would not be able to grow enough food to feed myself if I depended on it.

ok so let's presume this is the valid reality of agricultural decline

how does this figure into them destroying their livelihoods?

"i have a rational reason to grow food for my country, so i'm going to vote for the party who makes that impossible"?

 

[danjuno]

because city liberals keep insulting them, so they are voting for the party that is not that of city liberals

The ones in their head, anyway. Most city folks don't think about them much at all, I've lived in both the city and the country and it's like a break up where one side goes about their business with a minimum of fuss but the other can't let go and won't shut up about their evil ex.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

I imagine then-Senator Obama's comments in 2008 let an awfully large cat out of the bag, for some of the folks this topic seems to be addressed at:

On the Defensive, Obama Calls His Words Ill-Chosen (Published 2008)

Senator Barack Obama fought back against accusations from his rivals that he misunderstands small-town values.

www.nytimes.com

Senator Barack Obama fought back Saturday against accusations from his rivals that he had displayed a profound misunderstanding of small-town values, in a flare-up that left him on the defensive before a series of primaries that could test his ability to win over white voters in economically distressed communities

For a second day, Mr. Obama sought to explain his remarks at a recent San Francisco fund-raiser that small-town Pennsylvania voters, bitter over their economic circumstances, “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a way to explain their frustrations.
Acknowledging Saturday that “I didn’t say it as well as I should have,” he explained his remarks by focusing on his characterization of those voters’ economic woes. He meant, he said, that voters in places that had been losing jobs for years expressed their anxiety at the polls by focusing on cultural and social issues like gun laws and immigration.

Such sentiments by Obama had to have come from somewhere.
That those of his party don't tend to look down on certain demographics of their political opponents simply is not true.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

What does the Democratic party offer US farmers ?

For four straight years in Michigan, there was a state fund for free mental health treatment for farmers. Farmers have a suicide rate almost 4 times higher than the state average. After Republicans retook the state house, that funding was cut from the state budget.

That does not answer my question.

The program was implemented by Democrats who had full control of the state.

I find this exchange interesting because the first asks for a coherent vision and the latter offers a more singular explanation as to why subsidized mental health treatment is exactly that thing. This pretty much encapsulates the difference in thinking between the two major parties as to how to talk to voters. Not that one is inherently better than the other...Just the thought of farmers even without such a specific problem should be grateful to the Dems for even offering the program, versus, Reps who I guess felt it is superfluous to most of that same constituency.

 

[Angst]

I find this exchange interesting because the first asks for a coherent vision and the latter offers a more singular explanation as to why subsidized mental health treatment is exactly that thing. This pretty much encapsulates the difference in thinking between the two major parties as to how to talk to voters. Not that one is inherently better than the other...Just the thought of farmers even without such a specific problem should be grateful to the Dems for even offering the program, versus, Reps who I guess felt it is superfluous to most of that same constituency.

coherent vision is indeed not really something dems do well.

however.

the whole exchange (and list of examples provided to edward) basically read like this