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Why do so-called feminists sexually assault women so much?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by metatron, Oct 11, 2017.

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  1. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    What's the newest episode?
    Oh right.










    Oh, please tell me we can get rid of Burqa Ben.

    Anyway, this is sort of a recurring theme. For one there were those "journalists" who basically sexually harassed that Quinn lady, seeing that level of quid pro quo.
    Then we had that uber-feminist porn producer, who apparently spent the balance of his adult life femisplaining to people, well, that and rape.
    And we had Dunham with her fingers.
    And of course there's allways one Ms. Schumer who thinks effing a dude who's supremely drugged up and passed-out through half of the thing makes for an inspirational biographical bit of trivia for young women on how to buff their femifeelz.

    And now we have, in a neat frame of 24 hours, Ben "Burqa Ben" Affleck unloading this loathsome, slimy tweet on Weinstein who himself put up the front of usufferable social justice warrior for decades only so that he can in turn get busted by the awesome fact that humankind actually had color photography in '94 or when the hell ever.
    Never mind there are actual people, in like rest homes, who were alive back then.

    Rapists in America, apparently:
    • Cosby
    • Trump
    • most (male) "feminists"

    #neverdateafeminist

    In case of hillbilly:
    #dontletyourdaughterdateafeminist

    PS:
    I feel this is somewhat analogous to the running theme of very homophobic, very gay, Republicans.

    Thoughts? :)
     
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  2. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Ben Afleck is a feminist nazi sociowarrior?

    This is all news to me. I thought he was just an actor
     
  3. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Why do social justice feminazis sexually assault women so much?

    To live out the dreams that MRAs merely grope themselves to.
     
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    I think it's because many people back extreme forms of feminism to sooth their conscience. When you know that you have done something horrible in the past, or have thoughts that you're not comfortable with, then intentionally going to the opposite extreme may seem like a way to "equalize" things. Of course that doesn't actually work, which is why rape and sexual assault still happens.

    Feminist conferences are some of the most dangerous places in the western world.
     
  5. Perfection

    Perfection The Great Head.

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    I think Hollywood is a place where stars go tripping on their egos/power/drugs and where career dynamics are extremely unstable and depend heavily on personal connections and getting buzz. I think this is a situation that causes a lot of people to behave extremely stupidly.
     
  6. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    What about NAZI conferences
     
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  7. Valessa

    Valessa ate all of your cookies!

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    Mostly safe for women. Just don't go there if you have a strange-looking nose.
     
  8. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    Amy Schumer wasn't famous in her sophomore year (or whenever), neither was teenage Dunham, neither were the five neckbeards (feminist neckbeards...huh) who, at best, stopped just short of extorting said game designer into sex.
    So?

    Also, regarding the people actually in Hollywood: How serious are we to take these people, when they lecture us about "how to treat women", when trumpgrab is to be expected among them, allmost normal as per the circumstances you describe?
     
  9. Arwon

    Arwon Show me your moves

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    Because men are mostly garbage.
     
  10. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    Except you of course.

    Can i put you on the list as an "except you"?

    I mean, what with people falling off it, there are wide open spaces on the GoodGuyList.
     
  11. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    I think history has proven that most humans are garbage, whether they have testicles or vaginas or both or none or something else.
     
  12. Arwon

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    Good job, champ.

    Yeah but like there's literally not a social circle or professional field where abusive and creepy male behaviour and a conspiracy of silence and ostracism around it aren't ongoing problems. Dont "both sides" what is a very specific yet omnipresent problem.

    The OP, before he decided to attack me personally, simply and correctly points out that social and professional milleaux that know how to "talk the talk" can and usually do still house and protect harassers and abusers. Like everywhere else in society, they get sheltered by social niceties, and by people keeping quiet and making excuses for people they know personally.

    That he's making this about "feminism" is of course entirely on him. We're having or have had virtually this same conversation about outimg abusera in sport clubs, churches, political parties, high schools and universities, media organisations, stand-up comedy, information tech conferences, esports tournaments, among others, but nah it's all about "feminazis".
     
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  13. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    Predators will often put themselves in a position where they have easy access to large numbers of vulnerable victims.

    Sexual predators will absolutely play the part of the feminist to get at the multitudes of very vulnerable women around them.

    If a guy claims to be a feminist, it's likely he's a sexual predator in sheep's clothing.
     
  14. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    No it's not an insult.
    I would be willing to take you at your word.
    And i know you well enought to speculate to the same effect in the first place.

    The point is why are you willing to repeat the lies of a movement of people who so frequently turn out to be the worst offenders against their own cause.
    Well, in the off hand opening post i made a case against "feminists" as a class that holds more water than some of the slate-and-salon-spun things you were referencing here.
    So we can at the very least claim that "feminists" and social justice warriors are somewhere in the pack. I may even give you "better than average". None the less: in the pack.
    So why do you back up the shrill hateful rhetoric of these people, telling us what exactly we supposedly have to do, when whatever they want everybody to do doesn't even work in their own ranks?
    (Well or they just don't do what they want everybody else to do - same difference. I rather think it's the former, but anyway.)

    Oh, because it sounds virtuous and rightishly and there is a grandious theory behind it that explains all the world?
    Again: I am reminded of gay, hatefully homophobic Republicans.
     
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    So I took some to look some of this up and to me it looks like your comeback consists of:
    1. Stuff Lena Dunham may have done when she was 7
    2. Amy Schumer's sex with some drunk college dude - which while she obviously acted wrongly wasn't exactly predatory behavior
    3. Some gamergate related thing (I have no clue what you're talking about)

    It feels to me that you're reaching for examples to fit a narrative and not really looking at it objectively.

    I think harassment is an important problem in their industry and I think identifying at as such is generally positive.
     
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  16. Arwon

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    I don't know what a "slate and salon" is, "social justice warriors" isn't a thing and if you think most feminists aren't deeply skeptical of men who loudly claim to be feminists you don't know many feminists.
     
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    Also the idea that the Hollywood film industry is a feminist hotbed is, if we are being charitable, kinda odd. People have seen movies, yeah?

    Abusers within progressive and pro-feminist circles is a very real and terrible problem (I have multiple friends who have personally been victims of this and the conspiracy of silence that usually occurs in a political party, left wing media organisation or university club rivals any other) but I dunno if the mainstream US movie and television industry is an example of of a progressive pro-feminist political space. Rich American centrism isn't exactly a radical movement.
     
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    What exactly are these "lies" that we shouldn't be repeating?
     
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    Oddly, rapist men don't get to define feminist projects over the wishes of their victims. Weird huh. This is the logic that tries to invalidate Labor or Green politics because there have been creeps and abusers within those organisations and those organisations can be pretty bad at dealing with that. Never mind what the victims, who are feminists and members too, might think about their attackers getting to define their movement.
     
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    metatron deplorable ally

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    Maybe you should change that.
    Ok... we will get to that in a second in the point #3 relating to Perf's post:
    1. Well it stared when she was seven. Some of the behavior only ended years later, deep into Ms. Dunham's teens (we'd have to look it up). You ok with that too?
    Never mind if any of it is true or the auto-biography is entirely fictional.
    2. Well some portion of the thing the guy virtually didn't do anything and barely kept it up, the other portion he was literally passed out.
    Gender flip that. Then imagine the person to tell this story as part of a commencement speech re: how to gain confidence.
    Fine. We'll file it under "acted wrongly".
    3. So you had a bunch of people doing highly publicised reviews and a self-employed woman who in essence traded them sex for good reviews.
    In any other context that's pretty much straight up sexual harassment no matter at what length the woman in the picture is willing to claim romance and shield the guys.
    But the men and the publications they worked for claimed to be "feminist".
    So where was that "deep skepticsim"?
    Ah, right, the people who critizised this were, not sure what exactly, deplorables or punchable nazis or something, i suppose.
    And that was more important.
    No.
    See, oppression is power plus privilege.
    So, no woman can ever be "garbage" the way men are, because she doesn't have male privilege.
    Broadly speaking.
    So everything under the sun, institutions, groups of people, movements gets to be conflated with a few well picked cherries, if they are picked by "feminists".
    Yet they themselves are shielded by an inexhaustable defense of no true scotsman.
    Because feelz.

    Noted. (Not that it was news.)
     
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