Why do the U.S. troops in Iraq hate America...

[Leonel]

Because you brain washed them with your
HATEFUL
LIBERAL
COMMUNIST
uh HIPPY
PROPAGANDA!!!

 

[Patroklos]

source

Ummm...the OP.

 

[EweezE]

Why are these turncoats supporting that Black Muslim radical who wants to destroy America so badly?

He is possibly our next president. Why set yourself up to hate for the next 4 years? (if he wins) Judge him on what he actually does during his presidency not who he can't help being. Besides, if he wants to destroy America and begins to show it as president, he'll be assassinated. I think he will put forth extra effort as a president, because he won't want to let down the black race, and also will want to leave the door open for another black. You don't get to that level of power in this country with intentions of destroying the country.


I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I'll get drunk 1st, then I'll know.

 

[Simple Simon]

Patroklos, any chance you can find some data on how this breaks down with regards to individual donations? it'd be interesting to see if there's just a bunch of 'Pioneers' going GOP and the majority by numbers going Obama, or whether the support for McCain is spread across all income ranges equally.

 

[mrt144]

He is possibly our next president. Why set yourself up to hate for the next 4 years? (if he wins) Judge him on what he actually does during his presidency not who he can't help being. Besides, if he wants to destroy America and begins to show it as president, he'll be assassinated. I think he will put forth extra effort as a president, because he won't want to let down the black race, and also will want to leave the door open for another black. You don't get to that level of power in this country with intentions of destroying the country.


I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I'll get drunk 1st, then I'll know.

I was being silly with that last part.

 

[Patroklos]

Patroklos, any chance you can find some data on how this breaks down with regards to individual donations? it'd be interesting to see if there's just a bunch of 'Pioneers' going GOP and the majority by numbers going Obama, or whether the support for McCain is spread across all income ranges equally.

You know, I am not sure if that data is available, the campaigns would have to publish it. I know at least McCain publishes the amounts of his top doners, but I don't know how you would identify individual military members.

I do this forum thing on my spare tome you know!

 

[JollyRoger]

Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 845K



Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 613K

Sorry Jolly

Actually, the original argument you were making was on candidates worthy of support, so you might want to subtract out donations to the party in general for the sake of that argument.

 

[Simple Simon]

well, since you're always quick with a brusque answer I thought you might have some data handy

As you did notice the distinction between those still in the race and those who quit/lost: isn't it interesting that military personnel spend a lot of money on losers? From my personal experience with US military people, which is limited and most somewhat dated, I think that's a result of high-rollers going GOP, small-timers going anti-GOP (usually) - waht do you think?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

he is the lesser of two weevils, if you know your master and commander.

Great book, great movie.

 

[GoodGame]

The flip side to be seen is: "Is all of Obama's money really going to help him win?".

They think McCain does not need it or they do not have the money.

 

[cubsfan6506]

Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 845K



Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 613K

Sorry Jolly

But this works

Pro War:613K

Anti War:750

 

[bhsup]

Really, who is "pro-war". It would be great if we could all sing around a camp fire and sing kumbaya, but there are evil forces in the world that won't let us play nice, so that leaves war to deal with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMv8439oDNA

 

[mrt144]

"who is pro-war?"

the current administration for starters.

it'd be nice if we lived in a world where americans werent bloodthirsty savages who portray diplomacy in a strawman nature.

or at least listened to allies instead of creating a false dichotomy of new europe and old europe.

 

[bhsup]

There is a difference between pro-war and knowing what needs to be done. Pacifism, while evil exists in the world, only invites attacks.

 

[mrt144]

There is a difference between pro-war and knowing what needs to be done. Pacifism, while evil exists in the world, only invites attacks.

and americans have been the largest pacifists in the world, ever?

Your perception of reality is screwy if you think the United States has ever been pacifist. or situationally aware of politics outside of its own borders.

and the point here is that there is at least one metric by which we can infer that McCain doesnt speak for U.S. troops with any more authority than Obama.

 

[sonorakitch]

There is no expectation of how people will vote, only the explicit contradiction between facts and the rhetoric that mccain spouts in regards to being the voice of our troops.

So I assume you agree that pocketbook donations are a voice worthy of protection? Of course, the vote is the end-all voice, but certainly donations should be calculated when claiming to be "the voice of our troops"...right?

~Chris

 

[Mountain-God]

Anyone notice how Clinton's policies were basically the same as Bush's - only on the down-low.

Anyone notice how anti-global warming Poster Boy was a Clinton camper (and supported policies that were the same as Clintons, which were the same as Bush's)

And now Obama Saviour - teaming up with Poster Boy to bring Freedom and and New Start.

Is it just me or does the USA seem to have one political party - only wearing different masks.

 

[joshhh]

Anyone notice how Clinton's policies were basically the same as Bush's - only on the down-low.

Anyone notice how anti-global warming Poster Boy was a Clinton camper (and supported policies that were the same as Clintons, which were the same as Bush's)

And now Obama Saviour - teaming up with Poster Boy to bring Freedom and and New Start.

Is it just me or does the USA seem to have one political party - only wearing different masks.

No. There are many differences between the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. Bush, until recently, preferred a unilateralist approach as opposed to Clinton, who was more had more of a world approach.

And their global warming positions were completely different too.

And trust me, the Democrats and Republicans are completely different. The world today would have been a much different place had Al Gore won in the 2000 elections.

 

[Mountain-God]

No. There are many differences between the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. Bush, until recently, preferred a unilateralist approach as opposed to Clinton, who was more had more of a world approach.

And their global warming positions were completely different too.

And trust me, the Democrats and Republicans are completely different. The world today would have been a much different place had Al Gore won in the 2000 elections.

I disagree.

Bush is the mailed fist to Clinton’s velvet glove – where, ultimately the policy has been essentially the same re: the Middle East, oil, environment and a range of other issues.

And looking into Gore’s activity now and prior his evangelism would seem to indicate pretty conclusively – he’s in the same oil camp as Bush. Certainly he has voted largely the same way on the same issues. Right up until the sudden turn-around and world-wide crusade.

The Clinton family ties to Saudi Arabia aren’t so overt as Bush family get-togethers, but administrative support has been identical.

Looking past the Republican/democrat flag-waving, and head-line news… It’s the policies which tell the real story.

Of course, if Gore had become President, things would be different – things are always different. Sure, it’s obvious there are a couple different teams in US politics – battling back and forth - but I think if you look to Gore’s history – re voting, and political activity, not all that different.

 

[Narz]

Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 845K



Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 613K

Sorry Jolly

Source, please?

He's counting Ron Paul as Republican.

Even so, now that he's out I imagine by November the overall money to Democrats will surpass the overall money to Republicans.

I also happen to find it amusing that Dr. Paul got almost 4.5 times as much money from military men overseas than McCain did (and he's even more anti-war than Obama).

There seems to be some sort of culturally popular notion (spread by neo-cons who profit off the war machine) that military men enjoy fighting, being away from their families & risking their lives). The fact that men overseas have given TEN TIMES as much money to anti-war advocates than war profiteers speaks otherwise. I've never been in the military but I don't imagine that the average educated solider have been truly enthusiastic about any US conflict since WW II.