I don't "hate" Civ V, but I can certainly understand why the "hardcore" members here do. As someone who played Civ IV a TON, absolutely was in love with it, and often got my butt handed to me, I'm beyond amazed at how easy Civ V is. Playing on the same difficulty levels I absolutely DOMINATE the CPU, I mean the game is not even close to the point of boring. At the demographics screen at the end of the game, I was so far out in front of every statistic, it was laughable. And I am by no means someone who is great at this game, at all. I'm someone who could barely win on Warlord in Civ IV, and yet on Warlord in Civ V, I absolutely mop the floor with the CPU. I mean it's not even close. So I could probably win multiple levels ahead of that in V, where as I'm not sure I would even attempt it in IV at this point. There just doesn't seem like there are many "important" decisions to make in V. If you're even somewhat competent in how Civilization works, you should win pretty much any way you attempt to. I'm re-downloading IV on Steam as I type this, I'm going back to it for a little while. Maybe permanently. If they can fix the issues this game has, great. But it seems to me like this was the intention; to make it much more accessible for the masses. But for those of us who want a challenge, who want to feel pushed, I'm just not sure there's much that can be done w/ this game.