@Peregrine: I'm going to highlight some passages of your previous post. This couldn't possibly be less true. I don't know what forum you're referring to, but on this forum, it's Civ V's "detractors" that are the attack dogs. I have seen post after post anytime someone tries to talk about things that they like about Civ V, completely hijacked by Civ V detractors. The positive posters get ripped apart, ridiculed, nonsensical accusations made (like they are 2k employees, or that they've never played previous Civ games before, or that they're just unintelligent, or don't know how to play). Frankly, I lost count. The negative threads are just not attacked in this hostile way. The motivation to defend comes from people actually liking the game. I personally post in defense because I see things posted that just aren't true. Posts which are personal opinion masquerading as "fact". What you should say, is that it failed to deliver for you. For many, it delivered very well. Well again, the game is not "bad"...you just don't like the direction it went in. Now, who do you think you are to expect a game maker to change their game to fit your personal definition of "good". If you have that right, then I have the right to expect the game makers to not change it, because I do think it's good. Why is your opinion of the game more valuable than mine? To many, it was worth every one of those fifty dollars. And again, why should they change their game, just because Peregrine doesn't like it? Their purpose seems to be complain until Firaxis changes the game to fit what they want, and ridicule any who disagree...again, why in the world should they change their game? Is your $50 worth more than mine? Again, if you read the forums more closely, you'll see the "attack doggies" are not Civ V fans... Being critical in a constructive way is great. When it becomes organized attacks, insulting people just because they like Civ V, that's a problem. I completely understand why someone might hate civ V, and I can respect that opinion. That's not the problem, the problem is the unbelievable hostility directed towards Civ V and people who actually enjoy it. You'll almost never hear someone who hates civ V, say that they understand why one could like it, and that they respect that opinion. That's just not how that camp operates. This is one of many ridiculous accusations made regularly by Civ V "detractors". You've just proven my point that it isn't the fans that are attack dogs. You don't see nonsense like this posted by people that just want to talk about a game they enjoy.