Why does Obama need a 'civilian national security force'?

[I'm Cleo!]

Not for me. I've seen ACORN and the Black Panthers in action.

Describe your experience with ACORN "in action," and how it shows that poor people can be radicalized. More interestingly, describe your experience with the Black Panthers! I don't think I've ever seen a Black Panther in person.

Cleo

 

[BSmith1068]

*Part of this post was written on drugs. Can you tell which?

The first part?

 

[amadeus]

And I don't remember any provision about IT employees having to be federally certified. You got a source?

Yes, here's from CNET:

Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

 

[Arwon]

Information security is a bad thing now? States are way behind on cybersecurity issues, it's good to see them catch up.

 

[JollyRoger]

Adult diaper sales must be going up.

 

[ladsud]

Yes why should we win people's hearts when we can just kill them instead.

The day the US starts winning peoples hearts in the middle east is the day it starts dropping bombs on Israel. Until that day happens the US will just have to keep on killing them.

 

[sonorakitch]

So if we give these people money, they will not hate us anymore? And that is a viable alternative?

I really wonder about the sanity of some people. Really.

~Chris

 

[Arwon]

You're right... LESS DEVELOPMENT, MORE BOMBS!

(hey I can intentionally miss the point too!)

 

[Miles Teg]

So if we give these people money, they will not hate us anymore? And that is a viable alternative?

I really wonder about the sanity of some people. Really.

~Chris

Buddha on a Bicycle, are you intentionally misrepresenting my point of view? It's not about bribing them, or else I'd recommend just giving them cash. We're not giving the terrorists a fish, we're teaching a potential terrorist to fish so they have an income, a job, a life, and all those wonderful things that make you less interested in blowing yourself up to see if they're right when they say you get 72 virgins.

 

[a_propagandist]

So if we give these people money, they will not hate us anymore? And that is a viable alternative?

I really wonder about the sanity of some people. Really.

~Chris

You help these people develop stable lives, opportunity, capital goods, and strong economies; you'll gain politically stable allies, trading partners, and access to more of the factors of production.

 

[BSmith1068]

Buddha on a Bicycle, are you intentionally misrepresenting my point of view? It's not about bribing them, or else I'd recommend just giving them cash. We're not giving the terrorists a fish, we're teaching a potential terrorist to fish so they have an income, a job, a life, and all those wonderful things that make you less interested in blowing yourself up to see if they're right when they say you get 72 virgins.

You help these people develop stable lives, opportunity, capital goods, and strong economies; you'll gain politically stable allies, trading partners, and access to more of the factors of production.

It’s not worth it guys. No matter how many times we make the point, no matter how clear it is, some people will not listen. Maybe it is an insecurity thing (no pun intended). It is I much easier to say “hey I’m strong and if you don’t do what I want I’ll beat you up” rather than “hey, let me help you out and maybe you’ll become my friend.”

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yes, here's from CNET:

Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

The bill would ostensibly create a new profession called a "cybersecurity professional" who would be versed in the duties and responsibilities for that job. The licensing of these professionals would be accomplished by the goverment, as it currently does with other technical professions of this sort.

(a) IN GENERAL- Within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Commerce shall develop or coordinate and integrate a national licensing, certification, and periodic recertification program for cybersecurity professionals.

(b) MANDATORY LICENSING- Beginning 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, it shall be unlawful for any individual to engage in business in the United States, or to be employed in the United States, as a provider of cybersecurity services to any Federal agency or an information system or network designated by the President, or the President's designee, as a critical infrastructure information system or network, who is not licensed and certified under the program.

It is not claiming that everybody has to be licensed - just those who want to call themselves "cybersecurity professionals".

Unless you really want the federal government to usurp all management and control of the internet so it can properly plan for catastrophic failures and provide the necessary infrastructure to make it possible, there has to be at least some interaction between the government and the private domain operators to accomplish this obviously needed safeguard.

But once again, this bill is quite provisional at this stage. It was drafted by those with little or no expertise in the subject matter and hasn't even made it through the first committee yet. It will obviously undergo massive revision as the experts address the specific issues.

 

[illram]

What Foreign Policy Would Jesus Do?

 

[storical]

Uh, nope.

Try again.

He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps, which is the volunteer initiative launched by the Bush administration after the attacks of 9/11, and about increasing the number of trained Foreign Service officers who populate U.S. embassies overseas.

I would not be too sure, and yes if he does try this he is a freakin idiot for sure. Americans won't put up with that crap.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

So if we give these people money, they will not hate us anymore? And that is a viable alternative?

Plan B is there. A few hundred nukes is cheaper than a few billion dollars in development aid every year.

(Climate effects from the nuclear fires could cost more, but hey, that's theoretical, right? Mount Pinatubo was an outlier.)

 

[Cutlass]

What Foreign Policy Would Jesus Do?

Things like the Marshal Plan.

 

[mrt144]

Information security is a bad thing now? States are way behind on cybersecurity issues, it's good to see them catch up.

Information would be a lot more secure without users, period.

 

[dwaxe]

Were you saying that before November, 2008?

I have been saying that my whole life.

The time to ask questions is now. What is happening to America?

Funny, because that "my whole life" and "now" (in the context of your sig) do not mean the same thing.

 

[sonorakitch]

It is I much easier to say “hey I’m strong and if you don’t do what I want I’ll beat you up” rather than “hey, let me help you out and maybe you’ll become my friend.”

Geopolitics is not a giant kindergarden playground. And your analogy doesn't make any sense in any way, by the way.

Maybe Biden will just send a check for $200 million dollars to Iran. Should work, right? Remember that? For starters anyways!

For the rest of you: obviously everybody understands poverty breeds radicalism, that is a well known fact. Undebatable. The problem with your ideological ideas is bringing the world's poor out of poverty....now just how the hell will you do that? Somebody tell me??? If you know the answer to that....you really need a spot on Larry King. Heck, get T. Boone Pickens to bankroll your new idea.

~Chris

 

[Formaldehyde]

Geopolitics is not a giant kindergarden playground. And your analogy doesn't make any sense in any way, by the way.

The politics of terrorism are quite similar. Big bully beats up small kid. Small kid gets even by setting fire to the bully's genitals while he sleeps. Works for me.

Maybe Biden will just send a check for $200 million dollars to Iran.

Do you seriously think such a paltry sum would mean anything to a country that exports 2.8 million barrels of oil per day, which ranks 3rd in the world?

For the rest of you: obviously everybody understands poverty breeds radicalism, that is a well known fact. Undebatable.

While the Great Depression did generally make some of the people who suffered through it a bit more liberal-minded than they were before, it did just the opposite for the German Nazis, the Italian Fascists, and the Japanese. So, no, I think your position is basically untenable.