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Peasants are, effectively, for all intents and purposes, labourers burdened by untennable work conditions and given insuffiencient compensation. Labour unrest doesn't have to wait for Karl Marx to publish a book to meaningfully exist.
- And Labor Unrest can result from the consequences of Labor very early. In Athens a large percentage of the laboring (read: Non-Land-Holding, which was also the definition of 'lower classes' - Wat's followers - in Medieval and later England) class had fallen into debt and faced Debt Slavery (Involuntary Labor to work off the debt, which could extend to your children) under Draco's Law Code and the city faced open civil war over it, a pretty good example of 'Labor Unrest' in any Era!
 
Let us consider the physical possession of a city and its military and political affiliation , and the population . can I, for example, have a city but have a population against it , or can the city or region want to be autonomous , or be a vassal of another country , in this example can the city or province provide men and army?
 
Let us consider the physical possession of a city and its military and political affiliation , and the population . can I, for example, have a city but have a population against it , or can the city or region want to be autonomous , or be a vassal of another country , in this example can the city or province provide men and army?
Sovereignty is possession they are not always synonymous
 
'Limited territorially' scarcely covers it. In both cases, their governments were destroyed and had to be rebuilt in entirely new form (non-Monarchial), Austria lost her entire empire and the majority of her pre-war population, while Germany was placed under military and financial restrictions that by diplomatic practice of the previous several centuries in Europe were draconian in their severity.

And after the Second World War, technically speaking ALL German polities were utterly destroyed: on 12 May 1945 there was not a square centimeter of land anywhere on earth governed by a German Government of any kind: all government functions were under the control of Allied militaries, like the Allied Komandatura in Berlin, which remained the source of all governmental authority in that divided city until the Germanies were re-united. I served in the Judge Advocate's office under the United States Commander's Office in Berlin in the 1960s, and the first thing I learned there was that in Berlin, there was no Status of Forces agreement because there was no Foreign Authority in the city other than that granted specifically by the Allied Generals at the Komandatura. That same situation had been true everywhere in Germany until 1954 when the German Democratic Republic and Federal Republic of Germany were established as new states.




Of course it must be remade Napoleon I create the kingdom ofest Italy became a republic . the internal part is as important as the foreign
 
How to simulate the complex events of the Holy Roman Empire from 600 BC to 1100? Problems of fragmented sovereignty riotous dominions investiture struggles and the fight against Islam? The Holy Roman Empire was subject to struggles for power ( hence the futility of leaders if there are pretenders and usurpers) the birth of the church state ( to be discussed) feudal struggles , much more complex than a set of bonuses or the feudal system of the IV . religious schisms in Byzantium general instability
 
proposal cities founded should be first military and commercial bases, then cities . you could create provinces, instead of individual cities as a base of poduzione, and milieres that include at least 5 or 6 cities, what do you think?
 
A victorious civilization should be able to impose a government on a defeated civilization as part of the peace treaty or like the Soviets and the USA in 1945 or like Napoleon in the satellite states
 
A victorious civilization should be able to impose a government on a defeated civilization as part of the peace treaty or like the Soviets and the USA in 1945 or like Napoleon in the satellite states
This was only done, in RL history, in a small minority of cases. The ones you listed are call-outs for being on that short-list.
 
proposal cities founded should be first military and commercial bases, then cities . you could create provinces, instead of individual cities as a base of poduzione, and milieres that include at least 5 or 6 cities, what do you think?
Not only nations subdivide themselves in remote the same manner.
 
Of course it must be remade Napoleon I create the kingdom ofest Italy became a republic . the internal part is as important as the foreign

How to simulate the complex events of the Holy Roman Empire from 600 BC to 1100? Problems of fragmented sovereignty riotous dominions investiture struggles and the fight against Islam? The Holy Roman Empire was subject to struggles for power ( hence the futility of leaders if there are pretenders and usurpers) the birth of the church state ( to be discussed) feudal struggles , much more complex than a set of bonuses or the feudal system of the IV . religious schisms in Byzantium general instability
These two ideas, like many before, rely on scripted events from RL history, and are not the bailiwick of standard Civ games, and has been mentioned in response to these ideas to you many times before.
 
on 12 May 1945 there was not a square centimeter of land anywhere on earth governed by a German Government of any kind
To be pendantic, the Governments of Liechtenstein and the German-speaking Swiss Cantons were still functioning.
 
There have been vassal states and puppet leaders throughout history.
Yes, but again, in the majority of wars in history, when the defeated power is not outright conquered, and often annexed, they maintain their own form of Government.
 
Yes, but again, in the majority of wars in history, when the defeated power is not outright conquered, and often annexed, they maintain their own form of Government.
Where? in 1945 albania, Bulgariaug Yugoslavia, Romania , Czechoslovakia , Hungary became Soviet states at the behest of Stalin , and consented by the West , Italy in 1946 after a vote italy became a republic at the behest of the Americans who pressured and then drove the communists out of government, Germany was divided korea ethiopia also annexed Eritrea . do we want to talk about the arrangement of the Congress of Vienna of Europe after Napoleon ? the duchies of Parma and Piacenza , the Duchy of Modena , Liguria annexed to Piedmont , France monarchy , all England south Africa . what about the treaty of Versailles ? the collapse of the Austro Hungarian Empire
 
Where? in 1945 albania, Bulgariaug Yugoslavia, Romania , Czechoslovakia , Hungary became Soviet states at the behest of Stalin , and consented by the West , Italy in 1946 after a vote italy became a republic at the behest of the Americans who pressured and then drove the communists out of government, Germany was divided korea ethiopia also annexed Eritrea . do we want to talk about the arrangement of the Congress of Vienna of Europe after Napoleon ? the duchies of Parma and Piacenza , the Duchy of Modena , Liguria annexed to Piedmont , France monarchy , all England south Africa . what about the treaty of Versailles ? the collapse of the Austro Hungarian Empire
Those are three snapshot eras of history when that phenomenon, for various reasons, ended up being very common, usually due to a broader socio-political and military tumult. I'm referring to the great majority of nations in history who lost a war, but were not conquered and annexed, and kept their form of Government.
 
To be pendantic, the Governments of Liechtenstein and the German-speaking Swiss Cantons were still functioning.

Which is why I didn't say German-Speaking Government. Even the most Germanic Swiss or Lichtensteiners would not normally call themselves or their government 'German' - in fact, I got a long and impassioned lecture to that effect from a Swiss student in Germany years ago - in German!

To enlarge the data base on vassal/conquered polities throughout history, note that among the Greek city states, while they warred on each other almost constantly, even the complete defeat of Athens by Sparta that ended the Peloponnesian War resulted in a 'government favorable to Sparta' in Athens, but run entirely by Athenians: specifically, the oligarchic, aristocratic faction (the 'Thirty Tyrants') that Cleisthene's reforms had swept out of power for most of the previous century. And that government lasted only about a year before being violently overthrown - to which Sparta made no reply at all, despite the fact that it re-estabished the democratic form of government they had just spent almost 30 years fighting against.

Taking over a foreign group, even one as mildly foreign as another city state that speaks the same language and shares the same culture going back to Homer and Hesiod, is not easy. It requires a lot of effort and long term effort at that, unless you just massacre the lot and start over from scratch, which is all too likely to result in a vacuum on your border that you don't really control at all. In most cases, it was easier to just leave them be to pay tribute or remember how badly they got beaten rather than try to run things at a distance. The modern nation-state with its bureaucratic mechanisms was pretty much required to make it feasible to run another state as well as your own, and note that even the extremely intrusive Soviet system, backed by the Soviet military and massive police forces, proved to have remarkably little lasting effect on the peoples of eastern Europe even after 45+ years of trying.
 
Those are three snapshot eras of history when that phenomenon, for various reasons, ended up being very common, usually due to a broader socio-political and military tumult. I'm referring to the great majority of nations in history who lost a war, but were not conquered and annexed, and kept their form of Government.
no and still wrong ! the Romans imposed on Macedonia their own form of government republic, to Isdrael king, to the vassals of the Hellenistic kingdoms also, and a constant of history the victors impose their government and their kings. the Romans imposed their kings on Egypt including cleopatra
 
no and still wrong ! the Romans imposed on Macedonia their own form of government republic, to Isdrael king, to the vassals of the Hellenistic kingdoms also, and a constant of history the victors impose their government and their kings. the Romans imposed their kings on Egypt including cleopatra
No, I'm not wrong. Macedonia, the Seleucid Empire, and Ptolemaic Egypt were conquered and annexed, and I'd already accounted for that instance above. The three become outright integral Provinces of Rome - not even a vassal state like Judea, which itself is also one of the small minority of exceptions in history I'd pointed out the ones you'd listed above, were.
 
There have been vassal states and puppet leaders throughout history.
And, as a note, vassal and puppet states and protectorates do not necessarily, or even in majority in total instances, change their FORM OF GOVERNMENT - just their diplomatic posture, with a strong subservient stance to the one who defeated them.
 
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