Why I used to support gay marriage, but no longer do.

[civman110]

In what way is refusing service or charging a higher price hypocritical?

Representing people you deeply disagree with only to make a larger margin off of it.

Reminds me of some common negative stereotypes about attorneys.

 

[JollyRoger]

Representing people you deeply disagree with only to make a larger margin off of it.

Why should I not make a premium for putting up with unpleasantness? It is capitalism at its finest.

 

[civman110]

Representing people you deeply disagree with only to make a larger margin off of it.

Is hypocritical and immoral.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Is hypothetical and immoral.

Errrrr...

If something is only hypothetical, can it even be immoral? I mean, if I float a hypothesis, like "I may go beat that guy with a bat" someone may say "That would be immoral if you did it." But as long as it is only hypothetical I don't think it can be moral, or immoral, or much of anything really.

I could be wrong though.

In an accuracy sense, not a moral sense.

 

[civman110]

hypocritical* and immoral.

bad spell check.

 

[JollyRoger]

What is immoral about charging a client what he is willing to pay? Why is hypocritical about making a client that causes me more stress to pay more than a client causing me less stress?

 

[civman110]

What is immoral about charging a client what he is willing to pay? Why is hypocritical about making a client that causes me more stress to pay more than a client causing me less stress?

I already explained it. The issue isn't so much a monetary one, but a moral one. I find it interesting that you focus solely on the monetary aspect of it.

 

[JollyRoger]

What is immoral about putting in a hard day's work? I have yet to have a job where all the customers were pleasant to deal with. I see nothing wrong with monetizing dealing with unpleasantness where possible.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

hypocritical* and immoral.

bad spell check.

Not really. It performed its function to the letter.

Perhaps you need a 'make sense checker'?

Spoiler :

Yes, I am inordinately proud of the first line of this post.

 

[civman110]

What is immoral about putting in a hard day's work? I have yet to have a job where all the customers were pleasant to deal with. I see nothing wrong with monetizing dealing with unpleasantness where possible.

I would consider myself to be a hypocrite if I chose to legally represent someone who I deeply disagreed with then on top of that charged them a higher price simply for my personal opinion about that person. I think that's quite immoral.

 

[JollyRoger]

What if I agree with them on their legal issue but not on their religious beliefs or politics? What if I think my criminal defense client is likely guilty?

 

[civman110]

What if I agree with them on their legal issue but not on their religious beliefs or politics?

Then charging them more simply based on your own personal beliefs is immoral, imo.

What if I think my criminal defense client is likely guilty?

Then representing them is immoral, imo.

 

[bernie14]

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The story doesn't bother me. I refuse service to all sorts of crazy in my practice or at least quote a higher fee if it appears I am going to have to put up with a lot of religious nonsense during the representation.

So have you ever actually told a client "I refuse to take your case or will charge you more because i have to put up with your religious BS that i consider crazy and/or unpleasant? Shouldnt there be laws against that? Or would it be ok because their requests are in bad taste?

 

[JollyRoger]

Then charging them more simply based on your own personal beliefs is immoral, imo.



Then representing them is immoral, imo.

I am charging more based on increased stress of having to deal with religious and political nonsense.

As to a criminal defense client, I am trying to get them the least punishment possible and making the state live up to proving it's burden. Who knows, maybe my client can make a statement favorable to law enforcement that will help in the plea bargaining process.

 

[civman110]

That sounds like wishful thinking and rationalising your position; to me anyway.

 

[JollyRoger]

So have you ever actually told a client "I refuse to take your case or will charge you more because i have to put up with your religious BS that i consider crazy and/or unpleasant? Shouldnt there be laws against that? Or would it be ok because thier requests are in bad taste?

I usually offer a free consultation to evaluate the case before quoting a fee. Part of my decision making processes involves how I perceive the stressfulness in working with the client. I may determine the potential work is not worth the stress or I may determine that x amount of money would make it worth it. It is only a part of the decision making and fee setting process and of course I don't disclose my evaluation of the prospect's personality.

 

[JollyRoger]

That sounds like wishful thinking and rationalising your position; to me anyway.

Then you don't understand law enforcement's reliance on narks.

 

[civman110]

That's really irrelevant to the morality of the issue.

 

[JollyRoger]

That's really irrelevant to the morality of the issue.

In our system of justice, the accused need zealous representation. Nothing immoral about providing it.

 

[civman110]

In our system of justice, the accused need zealous representation. Nothing immoral about providing it.

It is if you strongly believe they are guilty.

Reminds me of this:


Link to video.

Where Hillary got off a child rapist that she knew was guilty. She is one sick puppy.