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Why is a recession so bad?

Well, everyone can get loans over here for a first degree.

But if it's so obvious that you want to be where you're in demand, why would you consider the positive aspects of recession to include increased uptake of higher education?

Of course, it's actually coming at just the right time to train up a load of skilled underlings for me, if there really will be a corresponding boom in postgraduates.

Oh yes, another question: why was Gordon Brown so keen to get rid of the old cyclical nature of the economy if it has positive aspects? They must be outweighed by negative aspects. Or is there a difference other than in scale between a mere downturn and a big recession?
 
Prices do not collapse in a recession.
If a recession causes inflation, that makes debt cheaper, which helps people who owe money, and doesn't help people who are owed money. Your logic is blatantly flawed.

As far as working harder for each dollar, I'd ask you to leave your opinions out of it, because that's unsupported by facts.

Wages are typically sticky. They don't typically fall in a recession. Employment falls.

Come on dude. Learn some econ.

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to address my points. Ahem, dude.

While a recession can be limited to one sector of the economy, it can also spread quite widely. Oddly bankruptcy lawyers are rarely impacted by a recession.

As you indicated, this is a good time to borrow money (if you can). The value of the dollar has declined (that is why the Fed is charging less for them). But your ability to borrow has also declined as the value of your underlying assets (your house, car) has also declined. Besides why would anyone want to lend you money when the price of the loan (as a percentage) is so low?

But the decline in purchasing power makes old debt, that contracted before the recession, more and more expensive. That is why it makes sense for people to walk away from homes and cars that are no longer worth the pre-recession price.

Why have you not noticed the lower prices of stuff? Because you are paying for them with dollars which are also themselves less valuable. This is why European tourists can come to America at a steep discount nowadays.

Dude.
 
@Brighteye

But if it's so obvious that you want to be where you're in demand, why would you consider the positive aspects of recession to include increased uptake of higher education?
Brighteye, you are familiar with the concept of opportunity cost, right? If not, you should read up on it. Since a recession makes the job market tougher, the opportunity cost of going to get more education, rather than going into the job market, is lessened. Thus, there are more applications to schools when the market is in recession. This fact has been noted in our last 3 downturns here in the US

Oh yes, another question: why was Gordon Brown so keen to get rid of the old cyclical nature of the economy if it has positive aspects? They must be outweighed by negative aspects. Or is there a difference other than in scale between a mere downturn and a big recession?
Because a recession has negative political consequences. A mild recession has a small negative economic effect on average, but its likely a sector is very much hurt, and that sector cries...alot. Its why lobbying works so well

@Paul in Saudi

While a recession can be limited to one sector of the economy, it can also spread quite widely. Oddly bankruptcy lawyers are rarely impacted by a recession.
A semantical retort is quite meaningless. I spoke about the average recession.

As you indicated, this is a good time to borrow money (if you can).
Actually, that's not true. Borrowing costs are lowest when the economy is at the end of a recessionary cycle. Inflation then picks up, making your debt worth less. This is because you are paying back a fixed amount in cheaper dollars.

But your ability to borrow has also declined as the value of your underlying assets (your house, car) has also declined.
A car is a declining asset from the day you buy it. A horrible example. Have home prices declined everywhere? In my neighborhood, they've gone up .5% year over year. You're making an assumption that doesn't even account for renters...


Besides why would anyone want to lend you money when the price of the loan (as a percentage) is so low?
Well, a basic look around the market would tell you that ALOT of companies are still offering mortgage loans. Loaners get a (assumed) certain return. You bear the risk

But the decline in purchasing power makes old debt, that contracted before the recession, more and more expensive.
No it doesn't. Your logic is completely faulty here. If you have 1000 in debt, and the value of the dollar declines, you still have 1000 in debt, but now you are paying it back in cheaper dollars. Given severe enough inflation, your debt is wiped out by a single dollar bill (Zimbabwe?)

That is why it makes sense for people to walk away from homes and cars that are no longer worth the pre-recession price.
First, using cars as an example demonstrates a profound lack of economic understanding. Homes are , on average, an appeciating assets. Cars are, on average, a depreciating asset.

Secondly, folks are walking away from homes in part because their rates are adjusting upwards, and they can no longer afford the home payment. THAT creates an oversupply of homes on the market. THAT drives the price of homes down. That leads to folks being underwater in their mortgages. I mean, seriously, dude? Do you understand basic economics?


Why have you not noticed the lower prices of stuff?
No. The grocery stores don't have lower prices. Best Buy doesn't. What's your point here?

This is why European tourists can come to America at a steep discount nowadays.
Its cheaper for them to come because the Euro has appreciated against the dollar! Not for any reason you cite.


Dude.
SWEET!
 
@B
But the decline in purchasing power makes old debt, that contracted before the recession, more and more expensive.
No it doesn't. Your logic is completely faulty here. If you have 1000 in debt, and the value of the dollar declines, you still have 1000 in debt, but now you are paying it back in cheaper dollars. Given severe enough inflation, your debt is wiped out by a single dollar bill (Zimbabwe?)[/B]


Dude,

On this point, you are right and I was wrong. Now go post something for me on the babe thread.
 
Blah, blah, blah.

If you don't have money enough to eat (what really matters), STEAL the food!
 
Inflation tends to be more about the monetry policy response to a recession. As the economy struggles, a common response is to stimulate it by lowering the official cash rate, which may cause inflation. Alternatively, inflation can lead monetry policy to raise interest rates; raise them too much, and growth is stiffled (which could theoretically lead to a recession).

They are linked, and certainly not independent, but you can't say that they are necessarily causal.
 
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