This drives me crazy -- in fact, I'm almost at a point where I'm ready to give up Civ. I never lose when I play on Emperor level -- I always win. But I have never won on Immortal. Why is that? Why is there such a huge jump in difficulty between Emperor and Immortal? Whenever I play on Immortal, one of two things happen : 1. I get stuck next to one or more aggressive civilization(s) that want to attack me early on, forcing me to divert my production to the military, and subsequently I don't build my cities fast enough. The other civs overtake me and I never catch up. 2. The other civs around me develop so much faster than me, and I never have the chance to catch up. Either I attack them and don't get anywhere because they have 3 cities to my 1, or I don't attack them and they take up the continent and become more advanced than me and I never have the chance to catch up. And I guess the next logical question is, how do I win on Immortal? I feel like my civ skill has plateaued. When someone is at the stage where they always win on Emperor but never win on Immortal, what are the kinds of strategies and tactics are they missing? Here are my two most successful strategies so far : 1. Play Tomyris. Go hard military at the beginning of the game to secure a continent, and then pivot to hard science and develop universities in all cities, eventually winning a science victory. This used to be a little easier before they nerfed The Enlightenment (which became less powerful after Rise and Fall). I've also won a religious victory with Tomyris. 2. Play Saladin. Go hard science while developing religion simultaneously. Start lots of cities and convert them to my religion. Don't try too hard to convert other civs to my religion. Instead, choose Jesuit Education as a founding belief, and use the faith generated to buy science buildings. Win a science victory. (I've also won a religious victory with Saladin, but I usually don't try for a religious victory because I think it's kinda boring) Anyways, I'd appreciate any suggestions for new tips/tactics/strategies. I'm at a point now where I've tried so hard to win on immortal so many times that it's become really unrewarding, and I'm thinking about finding a new game. I've heard Skylines is fun?