Why is there global warming in Civ IV?

[Menzies]

Why if Nukes have been used or a nuclear power plant goes up does it trigger global warming? Any reasons? Did they think that a flawed scientific THEORY deserved to be in the game in an even further flawed form?

 

[thordk]

global warming as result of using nukes has been in the game since civ1. besides a diplomacy hit in civ4 it's another penalty for using nukes.

oh, and blasting tons over tons of dust into the atmosphere HAS a result on the environment. it wouldn't result in global warming most certainly. it's questionable if it would result in another ice age, but it's a certainty that it will have results on the temperature on earth. as noticed with the eruption of the krakatao vulcano that lead to lowered temperatures on earth for over 2 years.

 

[Menzies]

Why not something else, you make the game sound more politically oriented to now than it should be. I mean, Hitler can't be in the game because too many people (who would play the game) would be offended. The idea of calling this Global Warming confuses me. Why not just loss of fertility in all squares insted of one by one conversion to desert?

 

[Julian Delphiki]

Global warming from nukes/n.plants really is quite wierd. I think that concept of nuclear winter is also disputed nowadays - maybe there should be just more random nuclear fallout or something.

 

[thordk]

well, instead of turning tiles into desert they could be turned into ice. better? ^^

 

[Onagan]

Why if Nukes have been used or a nuclear power plant goes up does it trigger global warming? Any reasons? Did they think that a flawed scientific THEORY deserved to be in the game in an even further flawed form?

THEORY? Get real Global Warming has started, and i get worse FAST, VERY FAST.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

i agree! there is long time civ dogma of global warming from nukyular warfare. I think that the global warming should be directly connected to industrial growth

 

[bds]

THEORY? Get real Global Warming has started, and i get worse FAST, VERY FAST.

Whether you like it or not it is still just a theory as many aspects of it are still strongly disputed & argued by many scientist & academics. Unfortunately, when somebodys trying to calm everyone down the person shouting fire always gets more attention & so the foolish continue to act on what they think posses a threat rather than whats proven to be a threat. Im just going to go out on a limb here and guess that your just another person who saw "A Inconveinent Truth" and now thinks of him self as a expert on the subject of global warming, so im not going to bother argueing as to why its just a theory rather than fact.

Anyone who ever believes's a politician in a situation where it would further his career is a absolute tool.

But hey, i agree that it should be in the game... along with aliens abductions(lol, sim city style), birth of jesus, return of christ, armageddon by metorite, scientology, evolution, and every other peice of crap people believe just because of a internet says so therefore it must true mentallity people have adopted since the first WAN in 1983.

 

[BeefontheBone]

aliens abductions(lol, sim city style), birth of jesus, return of christ, armageddon by metorite, scientology, evolution, and every other peice of crap people believe

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Aaaaahahahahahahaha! That's even funnier than not believing in global warming. Seriously, though, do we have to go over this again and again? You nutters are clearly convinced the game's got some "liberal bias" (personally, I call that a bias towards common sense) - there's no need to keep whining on about it.

 

[Severus]

evolution, and every other peice of crap people believe just because of a internet says so therefore it must true mentallity people have adopted since the first WAN in 1983.

You've got a point there. I'm sure i read that Darwin only wrote the Origin of the Species after seeing a link on google while searching for bukakke sites.

 

[cuchulain]

Whether you like it or not it is still just a theory as many aspects of it are still strongly disputed & argued by many scientist & academics.

Lol! At what schools?

 

[Onagan]

Whether you like it or not it is still just a theory as many aspects of it are still strongly disputed & argued by many scientist & academics.

It's a fact that in the Netherlands since early september the monthly average temperature are (far) above normal.
My dad made in is youth every winter a Igloo, I could build it once.

So for me Global Warming is a fact, not a theory.

One of the reason for me to move North. i live now on 59º N latitude, and get the weather that's "normal" in the Netherlands (50º N latitude).

But back on topic, I agree partly with GarretSidzaka, Industrial Growth should also generate Global Warming. But a Nuclear War also.
And turning one tile in desert is wrong, i like the idea of reducing Food, Hammer and Commerce. Because of floods, draught, higher sealevel, etc.

 

[Tee Kay]

Why if Nukes have been used or a nuclear power plant goes up does it trigger global warming? Any reasons? Did they think that a flawed scientific THEORY deserved to be in the game in an even further flawed form?

Global warming is a fact, and should be in Civ.

But strangely in Civ4 building factories doesn't contribute to Global Warming, when they should be.

 

[T.rex]

I prefer the term "climate change" over globel warming. Weather patterns will become more extreme, severe and irratic and this is already occuring. When I was a boy in my native Montreal, I remember snow banks that we so tall we all played "king of the mountain". Now no such snow banks have existed for the last two decades or so. Summers are also much hotter with longer heat waves in effect.

I think the use of nuclear weapons should generate a short term cooling effect, and if too many are used, a long term reduction in production, commerce, food and overall wealth as well as lowering population levels due to deaths related to radiation "fallout" and so on.

 

[T.rex]

Global warming is a fact, and should be in Civ.

I agree, and I still find it odd that there are still some "holdouts" who refuse to beleive its real despite ever mounting evidence.

But strangely in Civ4 building factories doesn't contribute to Global Warming, when they should be.

Coal plants should with time. Personally I prefer Hydro plants (we have plenty in Quebec), followed by nuclear. I think the game should consider alternatives like Methanol/Ethanol plants, Geothermal plants, power generated by windmills or later Nuclear Fusion plants.

Futhermore, I think coal based trains would be replaced by deisal based trains (when oil is discovered) and later, could eventually be replaced by electrical and maglev trains

 

[Chemtech]

Wow, I didn't realize so many climatologists played Civ...

Global Warming is a THEORY - not a fact. A fact is 2+2=4 and the capiltol of Norway is Oslo. Merely stating that it is a theory does not mean that someone believes or does not believe it might be true - however it is usually with breathless vitriol that most people who belive strongly in its correctness respond to anyone who has the slightest idea how science works and what the definition of a theory is, points out that global warming is still just a theory.

There is still quite a bit of debate regarding its validity and/or its severity - numerically more scientists believe it to be true, however there are a number of TOP scientists in each field (climatology, oceanography, meterology) that question the models being used to predict how it will progress in the future.

In that 1970's the worlds leading climatologists were almost in universal agreement that pollution particulates were plunging the world into a new ice age - global temperatures on average, were down and there was fear that much of the northern hemisphere would begin to form glaciers. Obviously, they were wrong.

I offer none of the above to convice you one way or the other that global warming in true or not true. I accept that certain aspects of it are likely factually true, while at the same time understanding that the models being used are still incomplete.

IMHO the most likely cause for carbon dioxide emission reduction will be the sprialing cost of fossil fuels - we've already approached the point where the payback time and cost per kW/hr for solar/wind/wave are approaching oil and natural gas. Only coal and nuclear are likely to remain fairly consistent in the near term. One is a greenhouse producer, the other is a distand dream for getting new plants built in the two or three countries that it really matters (US, China and India).

 

[bds]

Aaaaahahahahahahaha! That's even funnier than not believing in global warming. Seriously, though, do we have to go over this again and again? You nutters are clearly convinced the game's got some "liberal bias" (personally, I call that a bias towards common sense) - there's no need to keep whining on about it.

I was being sarcastic... sorry you dont have a sense of humor. I couldn't care less about any bais one way or another.

Lol! At what schools?

Clearly your still going to one...

t's a fact that in the Netherlands since early september the monthly average temperature are (far) above normal.

So let me guess this straight, just because the netherlands average temperate was above normal that means the other 99% of the world was too? yeah right dick head. I know of plenty of areas that have just come out of drought, so your global warming isnt as global as you claim.

Besides, like i said its a theory whether you like it or not, doesnt mean its true or false... so you dont have to give me bullfeathers when i havent even expressed what i personally believe.

And t.rex is right, climate change is a much better way to describe it as global warming gives the wrong impression.

@Severus
Charles Darwins origin of species was full of racism & sexism, oh but im sure you already know that because you've read it right?
Not to mention it was also used by nazi germans to convice them they were the superiour species... so simply f_ck darwin and his theory of evolution.

 

[bds]

I find it rediculous how many people are offend by the word theory, they seriously need a dictionary.

 

[Onagan]

So let me guess this straight, just because the netherlands average temperate was above normal that means the other 99% of the world was too? yeah right dick head*. I know of plenty of areas that have just come out of drought, so your global warming isnt as global as you claim.

Talking about drought, yep it's also there. But believe me, it's not only the netherlands which has to deal with heat. I give it as a example, i talk every 2 weeks with my dad, and he monitors that. I don't know what the results are in my country.

* i don't respond on that!

 

[azzaman333]

I said it in OT, and I'll say it here. Global Warming is a fact. The extent to which humans are causing it (including not at all and entirely) is merely theory.