I use to be a fairly frequent poster here, but stopped play Civ V and lost password, so this isn't actually my first post. I suddenly started playing again inspired by Beyond Earth. I am playing at Emperor/Immortal level and unless I am doing a early warmonger go tradition all the time (i'll throw in a few picks on the honor side as war monger) I thought I'd give liberty a chance a figured Roman is about as wide friendly Civ as is out there. Imortal/continents/epic game. I got a good grassland/jungle river start with 3 gems, and marble. The first 2 CS I meet were religious so I got my Pantheon (+2 faith gems/pearls) without having to build a shrine. There were space for 4 new cities (2 toward other civs and 2 behind a mountain range. I wanted to grab one of the spots early so I went left side of liberty and foolishly built a worker (not finding any to steal). I got 3 cities founded, connected 3 resource (4th was 3 hexes away), built the Pyramids and played until T125 when I realized that I wasn't going to be able to connect to the Iron for another 8 turns or so and with 2 happiness really couldn't expand to either of my back cities until I got Pagoda, CSs, or Colosseum. Nor did the Zulus look like a tempting target military target. I restarted and this time went tradition. I tried to duplicate my start as best I could, I found the CS states a bit earlier but only got 30 culture and garbage (the first play through I got Archery, a weapon upgrade, culture, maps and barbarians.) Also the CS barbarian quests worked out for me better the first time. I only managed to build the Mausoleum (2 CS requested it) Still at end of T125, my tradition score was 293 vs 263 for liberty. I had 4 workers on liberty vs 3 tradition and obviously they are more efficient, but on every other measure population (3 more for tradition), number of turns to complete the tree (17 tradition vs 26 liberty), infrastructure and tech etc, tradition was better. Other than lower the culture cost and the free engineer for finishing liberty every thing else seems better about tradition. Realistically I am probably going to pause expansion to build the NC and hook up my cities. I would certainly get want 2 more cities for either tradition or liberty, but the extra money I from the capital and lower maintenance costs make would make it easier to buy the settlers than build. So help me understand is there some huge advantage that Liberty has latter in the game that Tradition has if you aren't going for domination victory?