Why no Black Male Leaders?

Yea I was actually wondering where you were since this is usually your topic 🤔
Nice to see you again in the threads :)
I was a little busy with college, also I stoped to play civilization, it is so time consume.
But I still want to see a day Black people in this game, in order to relevance I would like to see Haiti first.
 
I was a little busy with college, also I stoped to play civilization, it is so time consume.
But I still want to see a day Black people in this game, in order to relevance I would like to see Haiti first.
As I said, two Black female leaders, and three (I believe) predominantly Black civs. They're not absent.
 
We should get Drake

I'm gonna bypass the obvious "it would be Kanye, not Drake" comment, even sail past a cute reference to Nas X, and move straight to the obvious and just conclusion which is Cowboy Carter or bust.

"This is VII, ain't no Texas,
so slot your crises down down down..."
 
I was out for while and seems someone took my place in the agenda for fighting for black people.
It does seem most noticeable that black male leaders are missing at the moment. And I'm speaking from the point of view of an English male with no English leader in the game. Strange decision.
 
I was out for while and seems someone took my place in the agenda for fighting for black people.
Well, there's two Black female leaders, and three (I think) predominantly Black nations.
This is why I specifically say Black Male Leaders. This happens far too often in Pop Culture: Wrestling, Video Games, Cinema etc. When you support Black Characters in a Male dominated Hobby, ppl will take the most literal interpretation of that request & give you Black Female leads.
 
Just as a data point, I'm noticing that I prefer to play leaders who have a characteristic that I identify with insofar as it feels underrepresented, as long as it doesn't require a play style that I don't enjoy. Growing up as something of a gamer, there were virtually no female game characters back in the '80s, so now I automatically gravitate toward female leaders. However, it doesn't matter too much to me what ethnicity they are, but I'm also white and haven't dealt with ethnic nonrepresentation. So far in Civ VII I've played games as Harriet Tubman (like her, but I don't care much for espionage activity, so it wasn't a great fit), Hatshepsut, and currently Catherine the Great.

For Civ VI and IV, I had the same habit, but I was also happy to play male leaders of interesting cultures/countries that I was intrigued to see had been included, like Canada, Australia, the Cree, and the Maori. I'll also play the U.S. in any version, Italy and France because of personal ethnic background. If I find a leader appeals to me politically, that also might make me apt to play as that person. I tend to dislike playing as militaristic leaders or leaders whose strengths are in spying, though I made many attempts with Catherine de Medici nonetheless, as well as Boudica in Civ IV. In Civ VI, for my play style, Nzinga Mbande was an amazingly good fit, and I wish she'd come along sooner.
 
Just as a data point, I'm noticing that I prefer to play leaders who have a characteristic that I identify with insofar as it feels underrepresented, as long as it doesn't require a play style that I don't enjoy. Growing up as something of a gamer, there were virtually no female game characters back in the '80s, so now I automatically gravitate toward female leaders. However, it doesn't matter too much to me what ethnicity they are, but I'm also white and haven't dealt with ethnic nonrepresentation. So far in Civ VII I've played games as Harriet Tubman (like her, but I don't care much for espionage activity, so it wasn't a great fit), Hatshepsut, and currently Catherine the Great.

For Civ VI and IV, I had the same habit, but I was also happy to play male leaders of interesting cultures/countries that I was intrigued to see had been included, like Canada, Australia, the Cree, and the Maori. I'll also play the U.S. in any version, Italy and France because of personal ethnic background. If I find a leader appeals to me politically, that also might make me apt to play as that person. I tend to dislike playing as militaristic leaders or leaders whose strengths are in spying, though I made many attempts with Catherine de Medici nonetheless, as well as Boudica in Civ IV. In Civ VI, for my play style, Nzinga Mbande was an amazingly good fit, and I wish she'd come along sooner.
Thank You for sharing that, really interesting introspective.
 
I don't think we have particular proof that Civ is a male-dominated hobby; gaming in general no longer is, though I haven't seen any data for the 4x genre specifically.
Maybe not proof but tons of evidence
 

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Hoping for Shaka, Menelik II, Mansa Musa or Sonni Ali. This is why I think it would of been better to have leader switching between ages rather than civ switching.
 
This is why I specifically say Black Male Leaders. This happens far too often in Pop Culture: Wrestling, Video Games, Cinema etc. When you support Black Characters in a Male dominated Hobby, ppl will take the most literal interpretation of that request & give you Black Female leads.
Are Black female leaders bad, though? Why are they an, "insult," or, "consolation prize?" Especially given then the already idiosyncratic list across the board. That sounds like the machismo that plagues a lot of African-American society as it does the Latinos who coined the term.
 
Maybe not proof but tons of evidence
"The only players I know who play Civ are male..."

"I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who got this from a guy, who knows the guy it's from, so trust me me bro,"
-A guy from New York City

"Out of 100 friends, neighbours, and associates in my small Alabama town, 99 said they had never had sex outside of marriage. Only my car detailer dissented, but he was from a big city out of town. I believe this sample accurate reflects the national population and can honestly say 99% of Americans have never had sex outside of marriage,"
-From a parody article on sample polling

Basically, personal circles of family, friends, and acquaintances by one person do not meaningfully show broader trends worth a damn, and certainly cannot be quoted as such. And, although, the Redditer, it seems he's hoping to find statistics to, "put to shame," Firaxis' choice of leaders, and push them to a more patriarchal bent, but can't find the statistics to back them.
 
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Are Black female leaders bad, though? Why are they an, "insult," or, "consolation prize?" Especially given then the already idiosyncratic list across the board. That sounds like the machismo that plagues a lot of African-American society as it does the Latinos who coined the term.
In practice Machismo is demonstrated by the White Community far more. Given that $70-90 of Human Leads in Video Games, Movies, Shows, Anime(Yes Japanese Anime) Wrestling Comics etc. are White Males.

It's like another White Male Forum Member said in this thread; "who am I to criticize this thread, when nearly half the Available Leaders in Civ 7 are White Males" Paraphrasing.

It's to a point where you've been watching/playing as White Males Leads so long, I think some of you are bored with it, & would play as another Demographic just for a fresh Experience LMAO 🤣.

And I hope this doesn't come across as angry, I literally LOL at how audacious your IDGAF Attitude towards your lack of self awareness is.

It's like a dude eating a 4 course meal, criticizing School kids because they aren't content with School Lunch.

And I'm not trying to change your mind, I just think your narrative about The Black Community doesn't fit, look who supports the WNBA with their paychecks, Who celebrates their Female heroes; Sojourner, Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman etc
 
"The only players I know who play Civ are male..."

"I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who got this from a guy, who knows the guy it's from, so trust me me bro,"
-A guy from New York City

"Out of 100 friends, neighbours, and associates in my small Alabama town, 99 said they had never had sex outside of marriage. Only my car detailer dissented, but he was from a big city out of town. I believe this sample accurate reflects the national population and can honestly say 99% of Americans have never had sex outside of marriage,"
-From a parody article on sample polling

Basically, personal circles of family, friends, and acquaintances by one person do not meaningfully show broader trends worth a damn, and certainly cannot be quoted as such. And, although, the Redditer, it seems he's hoping to find statistics to, "put to shame," Firaxis' choice of leaders, and push them to a more patriarchal bent, but can't find the statistics to back them.
I just want to point out that out of 4 pieces of Evidence, you cherry picked 1 line.
 
To be honest I don't think saying there are more men than women playing Civ7 is a good argument for why there should be more male black leaders as opposed to female black leaders.

However, you can deduce by common sense that there are more men playing 4X games specifically than women. It's probably not a 90/10 split but it's at least a 60/40 split if we are all being honest.

So that said, why do the black male leaders number Zero to Three to the black female leaders?
If we're being fair there should be at least one, and there are MANY good options. Mansa Musa, Shaka, Haile and so on.

Perhaps the controversy comes because the black female leaders could be considered three 'mediocre' choices (i.e. not top leader choices) BUT there is not one single black male leader under any category, significant, or otherwise.
 
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