Why War in Iraq?

[FoxURA]

I know about Ron Paul. Anyways his heart is in the right place but he often shows his Libertarian bias.

Anyways, here is an article listing 38 examples of involvement between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=3378

24. According to sensitive reporting, a Malaysia-based Iraqi national (Shakir) facilitated the arrival of one of the Sept 11 hijackers for an operational meeting in Kuala Lumpur (Jan 2000). Sensitive reporting indicates Shakir's travel and contacts link him to a worldwide network of terrorists, including al Qaeda. Shakir worked at the Kuala Lumpur airport--a job he claimed to have obtained through an Iraqi embassy employee.


Here is another article about a 500-ton uranium stockpile Saddam had.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/8/112447.shtml
"Is it really true that Saddam Hussein had no "stockpiles" of weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invaded in March 2003?

Not exactly - at least not if one counts the 500 tons of uranium that the Iraqi dictator kept stored at his al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons development plant."

And another article detailing Iraq's terrorist connections.
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200410\SPE20041004a.html

 

[bathsheba666]

It may have escaped your attention that the senate has actually started investigating the enormous screw-up that was the invasion of Iraq.

They have already acknowledged that the intelligence was missing, so it seems rather remiss of them to overlook the subjects of your posting. Perhaps you should email them and let them know

Of course, the administration has so far managed to delay the much more interesting analysis of how this non-existent intelligence was misrepresented by the administration to appear to 'justify' the war.

Of course, it's obvious that the administration lied through their teeth, which is no doubt why this bit is being help up.

If you want to know why Iraq was invaded, find out who profited most.
It's not rocket science.

As for Al Qaeda involvement in Iraq, I agree there is plenty...now the americans have let them in...

 

[FoxURA]

Hahaha... Well anyway, if you are saying that the Bush administration fabricated data then that means that the HW Bush and Clinton administrations all did the same thing because they all stated the same reasons for attacking Iraq that GW Bush did.

Just where was all this criticism about faulty intelligence when Clinton attacked Iraq?

 

[JollyRoger]

Hahaha... Well anyway, if you are saying that the Bush administration fabricated data then that means that the HW Bush and Clinton administrations all did the same thing because they all stated the same reasons for attacking Iraq that Bush did.

Of course neither Papa Bush nor Clinton got us screwed up in a mismanaged quagmire in Iraq, so maybe they weren't willing to back the talk with misguided action.

 

[angrybellsprout]

George HW Bush didn't make all that trash up, but the 'evidence' used by Clinton in 1998 is pretty similar to what Bush had in 2002.

Though with the way that morons talk, I guess it was Bush who signed the Iraq Liberation Act and gave money and guns to terrorist groups in Iraq.

 

[bathsheba666]

Hahaha... Well anyway, if you are saying that the Bush administration fabricated data then that means that the HW Bush and Clinton administrations all did the same thing because they all stated the same reasons for attacking Iraq that GW Bush did.

Just where was all this criticism about faulty intelligence when Clinton attacked Iraq?

If yours was a serious question, rather than a wanton decoy, then I'd say there was less need for criticism and urgency when there was no full-on invasion accompanied by thousands of deaths.

Much like, say, Al Qaeda's attacks on the World Trade Centre were somewhat less remarked upon, until the one when they actually knocked it down.

 

[FoxURA]

Of course neither Papa Bush nor Clinton got us screwed up in a mismanaged quagmire in Iraq, so maybe they weren't willing to back the talk with misguided action.

So you are just skirting the issue about the evidence Clinton used to justify "Operation Desert Fox" then? What about the possible deaths by hundreds of multi million dollar cruise missiles with more primitive guidance systems than those of today being lobbed into the heart of Iraq? If all the threat was taken care of by the first Gulf War than why was this even necessary and what of the casualties that were caused by Clinton's attack? You are quick to blame Bush but have failed to mention the poster boy of the left even once for taking similar actions based on the same intelligence.

 

[JollyRoger]

So you are just skirting the issue about the evidence Clinton used to justify "Operation Desert Fox" then? What about the possible deaths by hundreds of multi million dollar cruise missiles with more primitive guidance systems than those of today being lobbed into the heart of Iraq? If all the threat was taken care of by the first Gulf War than why was this even necessary and what of the casualties that were caused by Clinton's attack? You are quick to blame Bush but have failed to mention the poster boy of the left even once for taking similar actions based on the same intelligence.

A few cruise missiles are not equivalent to a likley decade-long, trillion dollar occupation and I'm not defending Clinton to the extent he overstated his case.

 

[FoxURA]

So then you are not arguing the intelligence only the action that George Bush took?

 

[angrybellsprout]

A few cruise missiles are not equivalent to a likley decade-long, trillion dollar occupation and I'm not defending Clinton to the extent he overstated his case.

Iraq Liberation Act + No Fly Zones + DU shells ftw.

 

[FoxURA]

But weren't those set up under HW Bush?

 

[JollyRoger]

Iraq Liberation Act + No Fly Zones + DU shells ftw.

Still got a lot of math to go to catch up to W's overstepping of the hype.

 

[angrybellsprout]

Quit trying to downplay the evils of the No Fly Zones and the Iraq Liberation Act, and pretend that George W. Bush was the only one to do something terrible in Iraq.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

Ironicly the American Congress and the American Citizens sent me to Iraq several times. Not GWB. Silly facts. Silly 85% approval rating at the invasions onset. Silly 135K in troops to secure a nation of millions. Still waiting for flowers to be thrown instead of fragmentation grenades.

 

[FriendlyFire]

It Wasn't Just Miller's Story"
Turns out those mobile labs were provided by CHALABIs brother in LAW.
when confronted with this damming information chalabi plainly said we are in bagdad now and thats whats important.

EDIT: And we wonder why we werent greeted with flowers and dancing (also provided by chalabi which seriously jepodised the post war planning. Frankly SF should have arranged an "accident" for chalabi though we have enough enemies in Iraq already)

 

[JollyRoger]

So then you are not arguing the intelligence only the action that George Bush took?

Nope. I'm saying everybody puffed the evidence when there wasn't much there there. Only Bush decided to back his puffery with thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.

 

[Ecofarm]

I see. ALL of the presidents were/are wrong, and you're right? Ok, no prob.

 

[JollyRoger]

I see. ALL of the presidents were/are wrong, and you're right? Ok, no prob.

Show me the WMD. Old battlefield digs don't count.

 

[FoxURA]

I did post several sources about WMDs being found and could probably dig up literally dozens of non-governmental sources in a rather short amount of time. For the moment I will address the fact that Yellow Cake was discovered either in Iraq or in route to Iraq (I forgot which) and Yellow Cake is a key ingredient in the making of nuclear weapons. Centrifuges have also been found in Iraq that are used in the process of making weapons grade uranium. Besides that several other components like aluminum rods, which have little use outside of making nuclear weapons, were intercepted in route to Iraq. Also in an earlier post I cited a nongovernmental report mentioning Saddam's 500-ton uranium stock pile. Just think about that amount for a moment.... 500-tons. For those of you using the metric system, assuming a small Nissan is 1 ton, then that would mean the weight of 500 small cars. That's no small amount.

Now consider for a moment that "Little Boy", the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima only contained a mere 141lbs or 64kg of uranium. Not a pretty picture.

 

[JollyRoger]

Yellow cake? I revise my post saying you were a couple of years late to the party. You are about 4 years late to the party.