Wild Animal Tiles?

[Inotrobot]

With the addition of "Rough Water Tiles" that do damage to your ships depending on conditions, I think it's now with in bounds to add Wild Animal Tiles, especially in Civs that have a large animal populations(India, Africa, Australia etc.).

It would apply to a few Rainforest, Wild Plain, & even Jungle Tiles(If that exists, I'm new).

How it works is, as you approach, the Wild Animal Tile appears, & you can use the prey/docile as you typically did in Civ 6, but Predatorial Animals become an Obstacle, you can go around or fight like you do Barbarians. One difference is this tile can be used as a form of defense for your civilization, as an Obstacle for opposition forces, approaching your Civs.

Maybe you can eventually make a Unit called Animal Trainer that makes these Animals either Entertainment for a Circus or Defense/Attack Units

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Maybe you can eventually make a Unit called Animal Trainer that makes these Animals either Entertainment for a Circus or Defense/Attack Units

Oh yeah war bears let's go!

 

[Inotrobot]

Oh yeah war bears let's go!

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I would buy every tile I had to get to use War Bears before The AI/CPU ,

 

[GeneralZIft]

Are rough water tiles confirmed mechanic in Civ7?

 

[Inotrobot]

I believe I saw it on a replay of a Dev stream, it happens at Deep Sea/Ocean

 

[Krajzen]

Honestly, I am not too keen on this idea, because wild animals have always been simply utterly insignificant in the face of large groups of armed humans. For the obvious reason of wild animals not being organised, collective force. I mean, prehistoric humans wandering around 10 000 BC in tiny bands with stone technology were already apex predators dominant enough to completely exterminate nearly all megafauna across the globe. So what the hell are lions going to do against pharaoh's army with bronze shields and armour, perform flanking maneuvers? Do we have any historical case of wild animals being existential danger to any military force numbering thousands (or even hundreds)?

Serious biological danger impacting expansion of civilization in say central Africa was a brutal tropical climate breeding countless diseases and parasites, not guerilla warfare of thousands of lions performing hit and run tactics lol

 

[Inotrobot]

Honestly, I am not too keen on this idea, because wild animals have always been simply utterly insignificant in the face of large groups of armed humans. For the obvious reason of wild animals not being organised, collective force. I mean, prehistoric humans wandering around 10 000 BC in tiny bands with stone technology were already apex predators dominant enough to completely exterminate nearly all megafauna across the globe. So what the hell are lions going to do against pharaoh's army with bronze shields and armour, perform flanking maneuvers? Do we have any historical case of wild animals being existential danger to any military force numbering thousands (or even hundreds)?

Serious biological danger impacting expansion of civilization in say central Africa was a brutal tropical climate breeding countless diseases and parasites, not guerilla warfare of thousands of lions performing hit and run tactics lol

I understand & respect your stance, but I don't take prehistoric sciences too seriously.

1. Radiometric Dating is flawed, & has a History full of miscalculations, & we're not talking a couple thousand years here or there, but Millions, to the point they deemed 30 year old Rocks Prehistoric.

2. (Using your example). Wild Animals Killed & harmed Dozens during the Vietnam War with relatively modern technology, much less Stone tech, & nothing comparable to the Giants of "Prehistory".

3. The term "Prehistory" itself. The lack of documentation, leaves too much room for assumptions, & speculation.



That's one of the reasons I like "Civilization", because it starts with "Civili
zation"..

 

[Patine]

I understand & respect your stance, but I don't take prehistoric sciences too seriously.

1. Radiometric Dating is flawed, & has a History full of miscalculations, & we're not talking a couple thousand years here or there, but Millions, to the point they deemed 30 year old Rocks Prehistoric.

2. (Using your example). Wild Animals Killed & harmed Dozens during the Vietnam War with relatively modern technology, much less Stone tech, & nothing comparable to the Giants of "Prehistory".

3. The term "Prehistory" itself. The lack of documentation, leaves too much room for assumptions, & speculation.



That's one of the reasons I like "Civilization", because it starts with "Civili
zation"..

1. It sounds like one's source of skepticism is one of the wonky, pseudo-science one, or at least needs a LOT more work before given credence.
2. And, the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War due to wild animals was negligible to any measure of the war effort.
3. Let's be realistic. And, Krazjen's mention of Prehistory was meant to demonstrate a relative point, obviously.

 

[Inotrobot]

1. It sounds like one's source of skepticism is one of the wonky, pseudo-science one, or at least needs a LOT more work before given credence.
2. And, the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War due to wild animals was negligible to any measure of the war effort.
3. Let's be realistic. And, Krazjen's mention of Prehistory was meant to demonstrate a relative point, obviously.

I'm sorry I'm not going to argue with you in everyone of my posts, just to entertain your resentment. Facts are Facts, your opinion on it's impact or prevalence is your own opinion. But regardless of prevalence, the threat did exist, & therefore deserves a Tile.

 

[Patine]

I'm sorry I'm not going to argue with you in everyone of my posts, just to entertain your resentment. Facts are Facts, your opinion on it's impact or prevalence is your own opinion. But regardless of prevalence, the threat did exist, & therefore deserves a Tile.

My, "resentment?" Resentment of what, and with what do you claim to discern it? And the FACTS are that wilds animal have ben a negligible threat to human military endeavours, and certainly haven't been remotely close to what you portray, regardless of your own romanticized opinions - as I have no strong, personal opinions on the matter.

 

[Inotrobot]

My, "resentment?" Resentment of what, and with what do you claim to discern it? And the FACTS are that wilds animal have ben a negligible threat to human military endeavours, and certainly haven't been remotely close to what you portray, regardless of your own romanticized opinions - as I have no strong, personal opinions on the matter.

Alright, I hope that means you won't be following my posts using ad hominem & contrarianism, because you paid no attention to this post until we debated the lack of Black Male Leaders in this game.. & you came off emotional last time. But on topic,the same way you deem wildlife a small factor, I deem 1 tile here & there negligible. You can easily go around it, or ifyour unit is powerful enough, get rid of the threat.

 

[Patine]

Alright, I hope that means you won't be following my posts using ad hominem & contrarianism, because you paid no attention to this post until we debated the lack of Black Male Leaders in this game.. & you came off emotional last time. But on topic,the same way you deem wildlife a small factor, I deem 1 tile hear & there negligible. You can easily go around it, or ifyour unit is powerful enough, get rid of the threat.

This is a set of spurilous accusations, and misrepresentations of my personal views and feelings on two topics, and toward you, out of absolutely nothing. Please, get ahold of yourself.

 

[Inotrobot]

This is a set of spurilous accusations, and misrepresentations of my personal views and feelings on two topics, and toward you, out of absolutely nothing. Please, get ahold of yourself.

So this means no more addressing me or my methods, but rather addressing the points?? Great

 

[Patine]

So this means no more addressing me or my methods, but rather addressing the points?? Great

I have only been addressing your points, save to point out that it been you who is addressing me and imaginary, reading into my methods. But, I do hope to see an end to it. Thank-you.

 

[Vitruvian Guar]

If the game properly represented stone age, then having wild animals as some risk factor in an early game makes some sense. As it doesn't - not so much.

On the other hand, if you want a direct analogy to rough water tiles on land that would be deserts. All units can receive small amount of damage when ending turn on unclaimed desert tile not near water.

 

[Inotrobot]

If the game properly represented stone age, then having wild animals as some risk factor in an early game makes some sense. As it doesn't - not so much.

On the other hand, if you want a direct analogy to rough water tiles on land that would be deserts. All units can receive small amount of damage when ending turn on unclaimed desert tile not near water.

That's not a terrible idea, though Desert Tiles can be pretty expensive, & that might become Annoying, & would that mean, you just can't settle in Desert Areas?

Also I don't know if you read my previous sentiments on the impact of Wildlife during the Vietnam War, & if that alters your opinion at all...

 

[Patine]

Also I don't know if you read my previous sentiments on the impact of Wildlife during the Vietnam War, & if that alters your opinion at all...

Again, that was neglgiible to any war effort losses. About the same as the impact of deaths from electrocution from improper use of radio equipment was during WW2. I pointed it out, before, and just made false, insulting, and bizarre accusations, and now acts as if the issue is still unresponded to.

 

[Inotrobot]

Again, that was neglgiible to any war effort losses. About the same as the impact of deaths from electrocution from improper use of radio equipment was during WW2. I pointed it out, before, and just made false, insulting, and bizarre accusations, and now acts as if the issue is still unresponded to.

This is the 2nd time you responded to a conversation that didn't address you. There is no point in responding to you, as I already proved it is an applicable threat. Defunct radio tech is not applicable as far as Tiles go, in any reasonable way. If Man with modern-ish Tech, could lose Dozens, Man with Stone Tech could lose Hundreds, & it's impact lessens with tech advancements, like any other older unit. There's not much more to discuss..

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

Just relax guys! No need to fight eachother in pointless discussions, if you ask me (you haven‘t ask me, but still).

To the topic: As a few of you may know, i was one of the authors of Civ6‘s Wildlife mod. I must admit, at first this wildlife thing sounds in theory like a cool idea, i agree, but i personally, if i play Civ6 nowadays, have the mod always deactivated. It‘s actually a ridiculous idea in historical accuracy terms.
Having that said, i got a lot of feedback over the years, where people say that they like the wildlife mod. Even if it‘s historically not correct to say wild animals had a big impact, some people still like to play with it.
So i personally must admit that i‘m not a big fan of the wildlife idea, but other people seem to be. And the historical accuracy stuff… common, it is a game, it‘s about alternate history. So long story short: Both sides could be right. Typical „is it a 6 or 9“ situation.

 

[Zaarin]

Moderator Action: Please keep the discussion civil and about the topic, not other posters. This goes for both sides.