Will emotions exist in heaven?

[diablodelmar]

100,000 years ago there was alot more tribal conflict and so on, so yeh I guess it would have been more 'normal' to kill someone because humans were fighting each other alot more.

how do you know? And anyway I'm talking about whether it would be "wrong", not whether it would be a commonly done thing. Say your living 100,000 years ago in a tribe in Africa. You have a little sister. Could you take a stone knife and behead her and have people look at you normally and say, "how cute."? No! Of course not. That is what I mean when I say there is no coincidence that our rules are preordained. And by the way, the world didn't exist 100, 000 years ago , I merely used it as an analagy.

 

[diablodelmar]

Is orgasmic euphoria an emotion?

Perfection, have I ever heard anything that makes sense come from you?

 

[Perfection]

Perfection, have I ever heard anything that makes sense come from you?

Have you ever read any of my posts?

 

[ComradeDavo]

how do you know? And anyway I'm talking about whether it would be "wrong", not whether it would be a commonly done thing. Say your living 100,000 years ago in a tribe in Africa. You have a little sister. Could you take a stone knife and behead her and have people look at you normally and say, "how cute."? No! Of course not. That is what I mean when I say there is no coincidence that our rules are preordained. And by the way, the world didn't exist 100, 000 years ago , I merely used it as an analagy.

Liek I said, right or wrong is human judgement. I'm sure all humans would agree that randomly chopping yoru little sisters head off would be wrong.

But would it be 'wrong' to kill a member of a rival tribe in a battle? Depends on the situation. It could be if you could win without actually killing them. But if they are about to slaughter your whole village then from your villages point of view it would be wrong not to kill them.

You can't just make black or white statements.

You have to decide things for yourself, it's not there's an all powefull being beaming the word 'right' or the word 'wrong' into your head everyime you make a descion.

 

[ironduck]

Very well, if you want to believe Erik's proposition instead, that's your choice.

I don't 'believe' his proposition, I simply find it makes more sense. Your proposition strikes me as being one of 'god says so' without any further logical explanation, while Erik's is one of making a choice that is logical in this world.

 

[ironduck]

Is orgasmic euphoria an emotion?

I certainly think so, why?

 

[diablodelmar]

Have you ever read any of my posts?

Have you ever read your posts?

 

[Elrohir]

I don't 'believe' his proposition, I simply find it makes more sense. Your proposition strikes me as being one of 'god says so' without any further logical explanation, while Erik's is one of making a choice that is logical in this world.

I don't see that. My idea isn't based on "God says so" but upon logic.

Unfulfilled desires make you unhappy.
There will be no unhappiness in Heaven.
Therefore there will be no unfulfilled desires in Heaven.

If there will be no sex, then you clearly must not desire it. Is there is a flaw in my reasoning? If so, please poitn it out to me.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

WTH? Is it just me, or did this and a few other posts have their timestamp changed so that the thread came higher up? I sincerely thought Elrohir made the previous post a while back, and not 25 minutes ago...

 

[ironduck]

I don't see that. My idea isn't based on "God says so" but upon logic.

Unfulfilled desires make you unhappy.
There will be no unhappiness in Heaven.
Therefore there will be no unfulfilled desires in Heaven.

If there will be no sex, then you clearly must not desire it. Is there is a flaw in my reasoning? If so, please poitn it out to me.

The point is that you're not explaining why there will be no unhappiness in heaven. Because god says so, I assume?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Elrohir - what about those who want to retain something from outside Heaven? (Injured Merit and its cousins.) I say that they are barred from entering, or have not entered. Do you say that they [will] have [had] their desires changed? If so, it would seem that free will ceases in Heaven.

BTW: El_Machinae, are you still reading?

 

[El_Machinae]

Still reading? Yep!

Just finished "Use of Weapons" yesterday ... didn't really enjoy it.

 

[Swiss Bezerker]

They hook your brain up to a machine which deals out pure intense pleasure. Duhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Homie]

Elrohir - what about those who want to retain something from outside Heaven? (Injured Merit and its cousins.) I say that they are barred from entering, or have not entered. Do you say that they [will] have [had] their desires changed? If so, it would seem that free will ceases in Heaven./QUOTE]

Yes, at least this is my take on it. But mind that it is not based on scripture, but just my own reasoning at work. I believe there is no free will in heaven, because only without free will can there never be any more sorrow, any more sin, which is what Jesus says.

 

[CaptainF]

Heaven in my mind is a way cooler, more fun version of earth that is totally unclogged with BS.