Will George Bush have a 2nd term?

Will he get reelected?

  • Yes, his handling of the economy will ensure his reelection.

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • Yes, his handling of the war in Iraq inspires confidence.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, for both of the above reasons.

    Votes: 9 8.8%
  • No, his economic policies make no sense.

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • No, the invasion of Iraq was a huge blunder.

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • No, for both of the above reasons.

    Votes: 36 35.3%
  • I'm not American, but I hope he is reelected.

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • I'm not American, but I hope he is replaced with someone else.

    Votes: 41 40.2%

  • Total voters
    102

Bozo Erectus

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This may be a bit premature since the election is a year away, but the events unfolding in the ME have been getting his poll numbers down. With no light at the end of the tunnel In Iraq that I can see, Ive changed my opinion and now think he's extremely vulnerable. Not long ago I thought he would be unbeatable. How does it look to you at the moment?
 
Yes, he will get returned to office. Momentary blips are just that.
One would prefer him to get president for life, but another 4 years will suffice for now, until Donald or Ashy runs.
 
President for Life, wasn't that Saddam's Job?

He'll wrap himself in the Flag, and accuss anyone who runs against him as being "Unamerican" and still lose.
 
Donald Rumsfeld is the most brilliant, gifted b.s. artist Ive ever seen. He's a true craftsman. If he was a little younger he would have a good shot at getting elected. Ashcroft, forget it, he's a dim bulb.
 
I voted no because a yes vote required me to say that he has actually done something to justify being reelected. I won't vote for him (I'm voting libertarian), but the truth of the matter is that he'll win because he's the republican candidate and the democratic party is becoming increasingly irrelevant as time goes on.
 
I'm not American, but I hope he is reelected.

:p :p

I want to have the pleasure to see the look on his face when the **** hits the fan in his second term. And then after 2008 the Republican party will either reform itself or sink into oblivion, maybe replaced by the liberals (Libertarians, in American terminology).
 
I do agree that if Bush gets reelected the GOP is going to really hurt its standings, but i don't think it's worth the loss of life on the part of our soldiers. people will forget the whole thing very fast and we'll be right back where we started in 10 years.
 
If the economy is on the rise again, then I reckon Bush has a chance of being re-elected if the situation in Iraq gets at least a little better. Isn't it quite even now between Bush and the democrats? I'm not an American but if I were, I'd vote Libertarian, even though I have some love for the Republicans.
 
if nothing major happens in Iraq, i guess he will get reelected.
It will depend on whether the Democrats can produce a strong presidential candidate. But still then, ithink that he won't be able to compete with the millions of dollars that will be used for the Bush campaign. Allthough i am no fan of Bush, i would already be happy if the neo-cons wouldn't be a part of the second term administration. But i guess that's just whishfull thinking, with Powell opting out of a second term....
 
I hope not. He and his cronies are making things in the world worse. It seems like they only have American corporate interests in mind when making any decision. This kind of thinking needs to go the way of the do-do bird. The real problem is Cheney and his hawkish influence: samples of his voting record:
He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
Also in 1988, Cheney voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases.
On the environment, Cheney opposed refunding the Clean Water Act. He voted to postpone sanctions slapped on air polluters that failed to meet pollution standards.
And he voted against legislation to require oil, chemical and other industries from making public records of emissions known to cause cancer, birth defects and other chronic diseases.
On Education, he consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.
 
I hope not, but he is the overwhelming favorite in the election. It would take extreme conditions for him to lose, and we are simply not seeing those conditions or anything that could foreshadow them.

The question for 2004 is not if Bush will be re-elected or not; that is all but decided. The question will be how long of coattails does he have. The Democratic Party, for the first time in over a century, could very well lose all national relevancy next year, and that could be the case for a long, long time.
 
I hope he gets voted out, the humour involving the Bush persona is getting old.. Need somebody new and fresh to mock ;)

Seriously, though, I'd like to see a democrat as president, but thats not for me to decide.
 
i find it strange that States can alter the voting districts like they did in Texas (or was it in another state?). They rearranged the districts so that the Dems couldn't even win in 1 district. Pretty weird democratic system if you ask me...
 
It will depends also who will be his oponent in next election, but more chances is that he will got another mandat.
I'm not American so will not be involved in that but if his oponent will be someone from William (s** of a ****h) Clinton Clan like his wife or general I'll be very happy if Bush win!
 
well the economy had the largest increase in 20 years last quarter, so if that continues he will win
 
Originally posted by pawpaw
well the economy had the largest increase in 20 years last quarter, so if that continues he will win

that doesn't mean anything: what goes down must come up (vice versa)...the economy had to recover from 9/11 & Enron at some time. That doesn't mean that it recovers from Bush's brilliant economic policy

but i dought that most US citizens will think about the "Conjunctioral Curves"
 
Originally posted by Yago
the liberals (Libertarians, in American terminology).
Point of definition. In spite of similarities of the words, Liberal and Libertarian are functional opposite. Generally speaking Liberals in the US are in favor of political activism, ie getting the government more involved in life. Examples of this are welfare entitlements, which is state support for the poor and infirm, environmental controls, the attempted national healthcare plan, etc. Liberals have always been supported by Labor Unions and lately racial, sexual, and gender minorities, and trial lawyers.

Libertarians are the ones that think that the only thing government is good for is making trouble. Some acknowledge defense as a legitimate governmental concern, but some refuse to go that far. To these people the only good governmental office is one that has been permanently closed.

Back to the point of the thread. In spite of the fact that leaders, for the most part, have little impact on the economy, President Bush will get a huge boost from what is beginning to look like a huge growth period. After many months of slow steady growth, the economic numbers just exploded last month. After two years of bad Holiday seasons for retailers, the opposite is expected this year. This always makes a significant impact on the public mood.

The situation in Iraq is neither good nor bad as it stands now. Clearly, now that the UN and Red Cross have been scared away, the terrrorists feel that the US forces will follow. That wont happen. The difference a year makes in the attitudes of the Iraqi population concerning the attacks will tell much. Obviously there is potential for a religious war between the Shi a and the Suni. That cannot be allowed to happen, but the people must be allowed to take over some of the peacekeeping responsibilities.

Other things will surely improve. Water, phone and electric utilities will become more reliable. Jobs in the plants will become available. Commerce will settle down. The extent of the reconstruction needed in the oilfields was badly underestimated, but that is also a source of jobs. Jobs being the key here. If, in a year, the nation of Iraq is beginning to go back to work, then the situation will not hurt the reelection. If instead the unrest is high because people are unable to find work, then there is a liability. In either case, I dont think it is a dispositive one.

In 2000 George W Bush was perceived as a lightweight, running on his father's name and lacking real substance. Gravitas was the word of the moment. GWBush lacked gravitas, they said.

That image changed permanently in the weeks after the 9/11 bombing of the WTC in New York. For the rest of his life President Bush will be seen as a man who can look death in the eye and not flinch. It is difficult to overstate the importance of this in an election. Americans admire grit, almost above all things, and President Bush has it. Add the highly successful war in Afghanistan and the quick and decisive invasion of Iraq, and the public is very comfortable with this man watching the gate, as it were. They may differ with his handling of Iraq, disagree with our need to be there, complain about the mess and human cost of the situation, but they will feel personally secure, and that is a HUGE factor.

It is huge because the 9 Democrats are preaching the message of insecurity. Zell Miller, vocal critic of his own Democrat party, claims that the nine candidates are combining the worst things of the McGovern and Mondale campaigns, both landslide losses for the Democrats. He claims the message the Democrats are running on is 1)Peace at any cost (McGovern) and 2)Increased taxes (Mondale). Miller himself intends to vote for Bush, despite being a lifelong Democrat. Its a respect thing.

This is already much to long. Suffice to say, unless there is a major unforseen event, on the scale of a new Depression, Bush will crush whoever gets the Democrat nomination. Moreover, if 2002 is any example, he will also bring a fresh wave of his party to the halls of Congress. The much feared "filibuster proof" Senate, is beginning to look like a real possibility, even a likelyhood.

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He won't get elected for handling the economy well (tax cuts didn't do much to spur the growth) or for his handling of Iraq (soldiers dying by the day).

He'll get elected because he has the masters of spin at his command, and he'll trick the public into thinking both situations are perfect and a result of his policies, and if they are bad, its someone elses fault.
 
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