Will George Bush have a 2nd term?

[Norlamand]

I'm sure Karl Rove and Andy Card are awake at night tossing and turning at the loss of such a prestigious voting block.....

 

[delsully]

How can anyone consider Dubya a shoe-in? Nobody had heard of Clinton a year before the election and look what he did to Sr. Besides, we'll still be in Iraq next year and that will probably hurt the Republicans.

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by delsully
How can anyone consider Dubya a shoe-in? Nobody had heard of Clinton a year before the election and look what he did to Sr. Besides, we'll still be in Iraq next year and that will probably hurt the Republicans.

Exactly my sentiments. I think many Repubs are ignoring recent history, and are too overconfident. I think that they're going to have a nasty surprise come next November.

 

[delsully]

Originally posted by The Chosen One
Actually Bushes tax cuts are probably the key thing that jump started the economy.
Just think about it, in a recession people spend less. lets say since they don't have enough money, they don't buy new cars. so then the auto industry looses money, and what do they do next? they lay off workers, now there's more people without money that cannot buy other goods, the process repeats itself. But if people have money(thru tax cuts) then they are able to buy those goods. So no matter how much you hate Bush, those tax cuts were actually one of if not the most important thing that jump started the economy.

Yes, millions of people were able to buy new Caddies with their paltry $300.

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by delsully
How can anyone consider Dubya a shoe-in? Nobody had heard of Clinton a year before the election and look what he did to Sr. Besides, we'll still be in Iraq next year and that will probably hurt the Republicans.

I not only consider him a shoe in, I expect an historic landslide. Much as people dont like the violence in Iraq, its not a voting issue. They DO like the sense of "Someone in charge" in the security area that Bush gives. That alone is enough to swamp the Democrats that are running. What makes it a landslide is the economy, which is picking up steam, and the Bush/Karl Rove team that orchestrated the 2002 election against near impossible odds.

J

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by onejayhawk
What makes it a landslide is the economy, which is picking up steam

I don't see this improving economy.

 

[Norlamand]

Originally posted by Roundman


I don't see this improving economy.

I don't see Canada from where I sit, but I don't doubt it exists.......
Thankfully many others do see the improvements in the economy.

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Norlamand


Thankfully many others do see the improvements in the economy.

Like who?

 

[Norlamand]

Like me! My personal stocks have gone up a considerable amount of late. The market is up, GDP is up, building starts are up, etc...
Besides me there are any number of pundits, economists, investors and others.......... I even heard a panel on NPR discussing the "surprising" upturn in the economy...........NPR not being too prone to give positive views of anything in a Republican administration.

Seems like a few other people see it......

 

[delsully]

Originally posted by onejayhawk
I not only consider him a shoe in, I expect an historic landslide. Much as people dont like the violence in Iraq, its not a voting issue. They DO like the sense of "Someone in charge" in the security area that Bush gives. That alone is enough to swamp the Democrats that are running. What makes it a landslide is the economy, which is picking up steam, and the Bush/Karl Rove team that orchestrated the 2002 election against near impossible odds.

J

Please, this stammering statesman was at the watch during 9-11, was he not? Anyway, his ra-ra America antics are getting old for many, esp. his accountability mantra he ran on to begin with. Who has he made accountable? His buddy K. Lay? NO? His domestic policy people? NO? His party's War on drugs? Ha!Bush and his cronies tactics are to scare people into believing that the country will be unguarded/unprotected by a Dem. administration. Which is absolute bunk. Come on, as long as the Right can scare housewives with their Terror Alert Orange warnings and continue their bogus crusade against abortion they will alway have constituents, not to mention their good old boy network.

 

[Norlamand]

@delsully

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Norlamand
Seems like a few other people see it......

Ah. just wait until the next terror scare.

 

[Norlamand]

So long as it doesn't rival 9-11, I suspect that most terror scares will only have only short, limited effects on the economy. If someone pulls off another 9-11 equivalent it will have major effects, as it would at any other time or place irrespective of who were president.
In the mean time I'll continue to smile as the market goes up and the economy recovers to wipe away the last remnants of the recession that GWB walked into when he took office.

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Norlamand
In the mean time I'll continue to smile as the market goes up and the economy recovers to wipe away the last remnants of the recession that GWB walked into when he took office.

... and my community will continue to weep as our industrial jobs get shipped overseas. Oh well, its not like the Democrats would make any difference in that respect. We're ****ed either way.

 

[Norlamand]

As long as the unions and trial lawyers hold sway the industrial jobs will bleed over to the third world. There is a lesson in there somewhere but I think it will be lost on those that need to learn it.......

By the way which community? I lived in the D.C. area for 18 years.

 

[delsully]

Originally posted by Norlamand
@delsully

Very compelling argument. I'm glad YOUR stocks are up, yeah, who gives a flying f**k about the tens of thousands of working poor and the middle class, forgive me, what's left of the middle class? I know, it's our freinds of the Republican party! Not only did they stimulate the economy by giving us a bounty of $300, and believe me, that new Picaso looks great over my fireplace, the gave billion$ to the wealthiest 1%. Err, wait, that was Cheney's company. I can't wait till they turn that into thousands of new "worthwhile" jobs. I know several people that will be glad to take another job to makes ends meet. I know it's just around the corner. Thank you Norlamand, I've seen the error of my way. Why should I want a responsible government or society? And you don't have to remind me that EVERYONE (i.e. women, minorities) has a chance to be whatever they want, I know the Republicans are longing for the day we have a woman minority lead our great nation.

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Norlamand
As long as the unions and trial lawyers hold sway the industrial jobs will bleed over to the third world. There is a lesson in there somewhere but I think it will be lost on those that need to learn it.......

By the way which community? I lived in the D.C. area for 18 years.

I personally think that there should be compromise on both sides. Unions shouldn't demand $40 an hour to screw in a screw, and corporate heads should have some national pride.

My home is in Western MD, west of Cumberland. We're in Pittsburgh's hinterland. I go to school in Williamsburg, VA, and I spent this summer working in Manassas, VA.

 

[Norlamand]

Originally posted by delsully


Very compelling argument. I'm glad YOUR stocks are up, yeah, who gives a flying f**k about the tens of thousands of working poor and the middle class, forgive me, what's left of the middle class? I know, it's our freinds of the Republican party! Not only did they stimulate the economy by giving us a bounty of $300, and believe me, that new Picaso looks great over my fireplace, the gave billion$ to the wealthiest 1%. Err, wait, that was Cheney's company. I can't wait till they turn that into thousands of new "worthwhile" jobs. I know several people that will be glad to take another job to makes ends meet. I know it's just around the corner. Thank you Norlamand, I've seen the error of my way. Why should I want a responsible government or society? And you don't have to remind me that EVERYONE (i.e. women, minorities) has a chance to be whatever they want, I know the Republicans are longing for the day we have a woman minority lead our great nation.

Condi in 2008!

Responsible government and society? How about personal responsibility? Poverty isn't something the government fixes. Robbing Peter to pay Paul in some grand, socialist game of three card Monty doesn't make poverty go away. How many billions have been poured into the failed social programs in this country? and to what effect? Don't want to be poor? Get a job, any job! I didn't have any special help, just determination and perseverance like millions before me. I didn't wallow around in self pity, bleating like the rest of the sheep for someone to save me. I took crappy, low paying jobs for years before I finally got the one I wanted. Save your indignation for someone who will buy into it for you. Someone who believes that "jobs suck" too.

 

[Norlamand]

Originally posted by Roundman


I personally think that there should be compromise on both sides. Unions shouldn't demand $40 an hour to screw in a screw, and corporate heads should have some national pride.

My home is in Western MD, west of Cumberland. We're in Pittsburgh's hinterland. I go to school in Williamsburg, VA, and I spent this summer working in Manassas, VA.

I think we agree more than we see. I think that paying some schlub highschool dropout $40/hr to put a nut on a bolt is insane, but I find a CEO making $10-100 million a year obscene. Greed on both parts leads to the loss of jobs in this country. I can't blame corps for moving overseas if the climate here remains as hostile as it is (financially and legally). They are in it for profit, not to provide jobs. With reasonable concessions on either side much of the problem could be overcome...........but that isn't likely.

I lived in Montgomery County and spent a good deal of time in "Fredneck" and Frostburg with friends. Beautiful country, I'd love to move back there.

 

[delsully]

I said minority woman, she's whiter than I am.

Before you hit the panic button there chief, why don't you read and comprehend what I wrote before you go to reactionary tactics. Nowhere did I say people should not work and that jobs suck. I will say that companies and the government should have reponsible policies when it comes to the working class. Many say it's OK for corporations that make tens of millions a year to pay $6.50 an hr. and make employees pay for their insurance. Sure, that's great for the bottom line. But how does that guy raise a family? He doesnt, he can't. But don't let these workers form a union, no, they'll all sit around and do nothing all day an can't be fired. Come on people, you actually believe this stereotype? It IS the govenment reponsibility to the company and the employee to set ground rules of conduct, just as it is the workers right to unionize. Or would you prefer a sweatshop down the street? Maybe if your kid isn't to bright he can work there before Microsoft hires him.