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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by RedRalph, Jan 26, 2008.

  1. EnlightenmentHK

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    Heh, with a few exceptions, I've never been a fan of British papers. Even those within the 'sane' political spectrum still wear their political ideology on their sleeves, which I'm definitely not used to in the US. Sure we have papers that slant this way or that, but outside of editorials they try pretty hard to at least keep up a reasonable appearance of objectivity. Alot of British papers really seem more in line with some of our magazines on the political agenda. I'd compare the Guardian or Independent to 'The Nation' before I compared it to the Chicago Tribune, NY Times, or Washington Post. Maybe its just differing expectations, but I generally don't like open and (sometimes) blatant advocacy in my journalism.

    That said, the Economist is the best magazine published today and BBC is orders of magnitudes better than any of our television news coverage. So bonus points for that.
     
  2. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    You're ridiculous. I am not describing Muslims as subhumans, I am saying their religion in uncompatible with our culture, therefore their presence in Europe is not desirable.

    Ever wondered there might be a good reason for that? Something related to not behaving in a civilized matter? No, of course not. Minorities can't possibly do anything bad...
     
  3. EnlightenmentHK

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    Nice of you to form my conclusions for me, but I never actually took a position on the Roma.
     
  4. Disenfrancised

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    Gypsies, or travellers in general? I agree with you, and its quite wrong, but the hatred has always seemed to me to be for the lifestyle rather than the culture/ethnic group.

    Re: British papers, I remember reading a piece that postulated that Britain as a media market is more integrated than America, and indeed can be treated as a single unit (and thus much larger than any one american market), and the 'objectiveness' is pretty much cornered by the BBC. Thus to compete even the big mainstream newspapers have to specialised to particular ideologies (and advertise that they do) in order to secure circluation. In america newspaper often have their own geographic 'backyards' where they enjoy high market share and thus have to be more neutral and talk to many different parts of the ideological spectrum.
     
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  6. EnlightenmentHK

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    Sounds like a reasonable take. Makes sense. And that Yes, Minister quote is one of my all time favorites and I didn't even have to click the link to know which one it was. :) Been meaning to pick up the series on DVD for quite a while. But it actually retails for a hell of alot cheaper in Britain than here. (not that you can find it here outside of Amazon)
     
  7. Trajan12

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    Everybody treated their immigrants as shiite. Americans did, Europeans did. No one was too good on the subject when they first started receiving immigrants.

    Long story short, we all suck. Now get dressed for supper kiddies.
     
  8. countrygrl

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    Arwon said: (Don't mention the gypsies)

    why?

    enlightenmentHK said: Heh...this one always amazed me actually. Even the most open-minded, pro-immigration, multicultural loving, Ra-ra liberal EUer's I met couldn't stand the gypsies. Granted my personal experiences aren't exactly solid proof, but I got the pretty clear picture that just about every person in Europe hates the Roma. And the Daily Mail (think thats the one. Might be another nutjob british paper) always has such wonderful headlines on them.

    i wouldn't say this is the case. from my experience, the french and germans aren't bad at all. london wasn't bad. italy wasn't bad. it isn't until you get into parts of eastern europe where you really see problems. from what my family tells me, things across much of europe have improved drastically though.

    winner said: You're ridiculous. I am not describing Muslims as subhumans, I am saying their religion in uncompatible with our culture, therefore their presence in Europe is not desirable.

    yeah buddy! you tell someone they are ridiculous. then you tell us that muslims should stay out of europe because they have a different culture than yours. this has gotta rate up there on my top ten most xenophobic comments that i have ever seen on the internet. also. america has plenty of islamic enclaves. and they all tend to congregate in one place. there are cities in america with tens of thousands of muslims in them. they do just fine here.

    disenfranchised said: Gypsies, or travellers in general? I agree with you, and its quite wrong, but the hatred has always seemed to me to be for the lifestyle rather than the culture/ethnic group.

    believe me, there are places in eastern europe where some, albeit a minority, people don't care. if your roma, you are scum. no matter what. in the western countries it's not really like this though. but even you think about the discrimination and policies towards the poor roma, the travelers, the slum dwellers, it's pure xenophobia, and in many cases the worst kind of racism. the sad part is that in some countries it manages to even make into the government. which is kind of what this thread is about!
     
  9. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    So why exactly are we supposed to believe you?
     
  10. countrygrl

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    what exactly do you want me to tell you?
     
  11. Mirc

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    Where? When? Who there has this opinion?
     
  12. RedRalph

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    Nail on the head.
     
  13. countrygrl

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    one story, but we really gotta go.

    i think we were in bucharest when i was young. probably nine or ten. my moms family is in bucharest, and they are not poor, but they are not wealthy either.

    we all went well dressed. my brother and dad were in suits, my mom was in a nice dress. my sisters and i were all dolled up. but my native family didn't have really nice stuff. they had sunday dress stuff, but it wasn't fancy. we went to a real good restaurant there, and they refused to serve us because we're roma. i didn't really understand it then, but i knew my dad was very mad, and my mom and aunt were extremely upset, my aunt was crying. when i started really learning about the roma situation, i asked my mom about that day. and she said it didn't matter. we didn't get let in because we were romani. and that's it.

    so how's that?
     
  14. Mirc

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    I've never seen any restaurant to refuse to serve anyone, under any circumstances, except once for a guy (not Roma) that was too drunk. I have no idea what Bucharest you've been to. When did this happen? Was it by any chance during the communist period? Or was it recently?
     
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  16. Arwon

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    Oh, I was just referencing past rants people around here have made.
     
  17. StarWorms

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    Prison? So in other words, you pay to keep them in your country? Why not just kick them back over the border?
    Please don't judge us by the Daily Mail - it's the nuttiest of them all!
     
  18. Nylan

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    Ever lived Texas? No? How about Colorado? Utah even? Then you haven't got a clue.

    Please, take your patronizing attitude somewhere else.
     
  19. Whomp

    Whomp Keep Calm and Carry On Retired Moderator

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    I really dislike threads like this and am now watching it very closely. Just a fyi.

    On topic:I find it amazing that people can't empathize with people who act and appear different then them.
     
  20. Merkinball

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    That's why I got the ole popcorn out!
     

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