Zantonius Hamm
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It's not out yet. Notice the [WIP] in the title. 
[WIP][BNW]Into the Renaissance Deluxe
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It's not out yet. Notice the [WIP] in the title.
ohh! You see, I told you it was a nooby question
Thank you for pointing that out! I've been following JFD's Mods for quite some time now - the man's a genius when it comes to modding! I've always admired the "Into the Renaissance Scenario", and I always wondered why Firaxis didn't update it with new Civ tactics and strategies from Brave New World. Granted I Mod the sh*t out of it by locking it into the Medieval Era and by no settlers allowed, I pre-place each civ's cities with geographic validity. However, I really do hope they add a Crusading state (i.e. Baldwin). The scenario is bent on Pope Urban's call for a Crusade "to bolster the Byzantines, and liberate the Holy Land". Yet, neither Civ in this scenario engages in open conflict with the Muslims other than the Byzantines =/ call it historically accurate I guess. But I really do think the Franks should mobilize a crusading force and travel east to the lands of the east. By simply adding Jerusalem there as a city state - and by the Catholics civs caring only for other Catholic civs, by the time Saladin has taken Jerusalem, the city is now entirely Muslim and entirely out of the care of the Christian forces, with, and again I stress, with the exception of the Byzantines. By adding a Catholic Jerusalem, the civs of the west, with the drive of the Pope's favor, would essentially focus on helping the Crusading States in the Holy Land. So yeah, I just decided to throw in my *twocents*.
Natan35
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But, a bit later in Histroy, the French had some sort of alliance with the turks... So did the Italian CS.
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But the scenario is meant to focus on "liberating the Holy Lands and bolstering the Byzantines".... No western force focuses on this task...
Natan35
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Why would you assume that? Its "into the renaissance", not "Into the holyland".
I doubt the Christian nations would be able to beat Muslim armies in their homeland anyway... That would take them about 15 turns just to get there.
I doubt the Christian nations would be able to beat Muslim armies in their homeland anyway... That would take them about 15 turns just to get there.
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I'm not assuming anything. I'm actually going according to what the "Into the Renaissance" description says. That's why I used quotations when mentioning "Pope Urban issues a crusade to bolster the Byzantines and liberate the Holy Land". And if I was too assume anything - which I'm not, I could perfectly rely on the image displaying the crusader wearing a Red Cross and holding a torch. I think anyone who knows about history can tell you that this is a Knight and he is Crusading. That is of course, if I was assuming, which I am not. I'm simply following the games guidelines which clearly state "liberate the holy land".
JFD
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To get the the Renaissance, you must first displace and cull thousands of people in a crusade.
If Natan doesn't want to do it, anyone else want to propose the beliefs for Judaism? I just don't know enough about Judaism/want to research enough about Judaism in order to confidently assign the beliefs so this would be easier (they can be vanilla with new effects, vanilla with vanilla effects, new with vanilla effects, or new with new effects).
Zantonius Hamm
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It should be a religion that would not be that worth spreading, since Judaism isn't very proselytic. In addition, some bonus(es) in regards to Gold and/or Specialists would work, since Jews have historically been very clever, especially with money. If we're only using the base beliefs and P&P, a fitting set could be Desert Folklore + Tithe + Synagogues + Guruship + Reliquary.
If you do, however, add new beliefs, like the game did, that'd make it possible to make it more accurate (Guruship'd need a different name, anyway).
But that's only from a non-Jew. I hope Natan doesn't smash my skull in if I'm incorrect.
If you do, however, add new beliefs, like the game did, that'd make it possible to make it more accurate (Guruship'd need a different name, anyway).
But that's only from a non-Jew. I hope Natan doesn't smash my skull in if I'm incorrect.
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rip holland, you will be missed
maybe
maybe
Zantonius Hamm
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I will certainly not miss them. Every game they keep on becoming HRE. Every. Time.
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Natan35
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No, I won't smash you in the skull. I'll rip your soul, and eat your flesh. Without salt, of course.
and, I'll of anything to get on the credit list. So:
(Pantheon)Brit Milla- Dunno.
(Founder)Chosen people- +1
culture, 
faith and 
gold per each 3 followers of this religion(in a city).(Founder)King's People +2
gold per each 2 followers of this religion.(Follower )Synagogues- may build synagogues(+2
culture, +1 
happiness, one Rabbi specialist slot)(Follower)Bar Mitzva- Cultural spcilaists yield +1
faith. (Follower )Taryag Mitzvot- +1
happiness from religious buildings in cities with +3 followers.(Enhancer)Kiddush Hashem- Prophets and inquisitors reduce this religion's presence by a quarter rather then eliminating it
(Reformer)Yeshiva- Universities and libraries yield +2
faith.Tell me if you need more.
Also, Tom is good at those things. Ask him.
JFD
Kathigitarkh
Excellent, thank you, Natan!
Also, who is Tom?
Also, who is Tom?
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Zantonius Hamm
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Humm, good idea! I can't recall whether or not Unity of the Prophets became an Enhancer belief with P&P... if so, it'd be much more fitting than Reliquary.
EDIT: So you're adding new beliefs, then? Disregard my previous suggestion completely if that's the case.
JFD
Kathigitarkh
Ah. Makes sense.
IIRC, Piety's changes to the enhancer beliefs are disabled atm.
I'll add new beliefs if need be, as in the case for Judaism (which, of course, wasn't in the original scenario), but Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy will have the same beliefs as in the scenario (although I'm considering giving Islam Holy Warriors like the Catholics get). Although maybe you mean in reference to the vanilla/Piety game. In which case, yeah, some of the beliefs are new.
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
Huh? What is this blasphemy?! Guards, Cease him on the grounds of giving credit to natan
It was supposed to be experimental. You weren't supposed to like it. Those names are horrible. Do u even know what Taryag Mitzvot is? What is Brit Milla? Would someone explain the man what Brit Milla is?
(Mods are 3scary5me)
JFD
Kathigitarkh
No - if I did, I wouldn't have bothered asking for help. And if you've seriously misled me in this case, I'll not be impressed, and my playful resentment will turn into actual resentment. 'Cuz that's really rude.
Uighur_Caesar
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After looking up what Brit Milla is, I can see why Natan didn't know what effect to give it.
JFD
Kathigitarkh
I would've looked them up later anyway - I don't need all of them. But next time I won't ask for Natan's help. TIL. Seeing as it was help that would enable something he clearly wanted, perhaps I won't even add Judaism and Jews to the scenario - it would've been a minor flavour thing for a load of extra work.
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