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[WIP][BNW]Into the Renaissance Deluxe

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Creation & Customization' started by JFD, Jun 15, 2015.

  1. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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    Casimir will need a State Religion, otherwise he would be unfairly advantaged in not having to deal with Piety.

    Sure, there were Aqueducts still in use, but the majority of them had become obsolete and/or damaged beyond repair (and IIRC the knowledge of how to construct Aqueducts was lost in the Dark Ages, but maybe that sounds a bit fanciful). Bathhouses accomplish the same goal, now, and, at least, fill out the Medicine tech.

    I actually really love the idea of the Granaries requiring Wheat. Not so much the pre-placed Wheat though :p. I'll have to ponder. If I were to add that functionality to Granaries, I could certainly pre-place the Wheat myself. Conversely, perhaps moving production could require Stone. That said, you shouldn't heed the vanilla policy trees. They were certainly have to be replaced. Further that said, it is a big change, and as Jan points could, could become too much of a distraction from the goals of the scenario.

    I opted to replace the Circus Maximus as the Happiness NW with the Winter Palace, because obviously building the Circus Maximus as a medieval state is rude. So it does free up the icon. That said, the Hippodrome was built way before the scenario begins and thus would have to be pre-placed - and Byzantium already starts wtih Hagia Sophia and the Parthenon (maybe Halicarnassus, too, can't remember).

    Excellent. I'll throw some Jews into Thessalonica and Spain at the beginning of the scenario. Thanks.

    I considered using H&P, but I opted not too. It would convolute the scenario too much, I feel, and I really would rather the mod only contain my stuff - with which I'm more familiar and in a better position to bugfix and adapt. I'd personally like to develop my own Health mod, if it were not for that it had already been done and I've already go far more interesting things to develop. That said, the Black Death shall certainly be an event.
     
  2. Hypereon

    Hypereon He was a Consul of Rome!

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    It has to be a quite massive event, the Plague of 1300s, with severe consequences for the whole world of the map. Not sure how it should be implemented, though. Personally, I think the Black Death is one of the most fascinating events of the European history and some depraved part of my mind just loves historical pandemics :mischief:, and it contributed majorly on the spark of the Renaissance.

    That been said, what are the years the scenario happens in?
     
  3. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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    *This is the Gameplay Police. Come to arrest you* Well, I dunno, because a massive plague might not actually be as fun as it is flavourful.

    Begins in 1095, ends mid-1500s/1600s I think.
     
  4. Natan35

    Natan35 Mayor of St. Natansburg

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    Hmmm... Jewish communities?
    I'd suggest putting some Jews in Toledo, as Jews immigrated to it about ten years before 1095, and its population was a mix of three religions(Spain can into being perfect).
     
  5. Howard Tafty

    Howard Tafty Minister-Chairman

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    Well since I am a History Geek and rarely ever studied the Medieval Ages and the Reniassance perhaps you can provide some descriptions of key historical moments? the only ones I remember are maybe the Mongol Invasion of the Kievan Rus' and its assimalation in to Muscovy, Conquest of the Balkans by the Ottomans, and Wallachia failing at everything :lol:
     
  6. spendabuck

    spendabuck Chieftain

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    I have a question; are the regular victory conditions, like sending Caravels to the 'New World' & becoming Holy Roman Emperor, still in the game? I'd like to focus on the latter for now. If it is implemented, does it use the mechanics of the World Congress in BNW (though obviously edited to be more medieval/Renaissance themed)? And is it still to where anyone can be HRE? Because if it's possible (which I don't know if it is), it would be good to make it to where only Catholic civs can become HRE; I for one don't like seeing Saladin or Genghis Khan getting crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope :p .
     
  7. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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    There are only two victory conditions, just like before: Time and Domination. Sending Caravels and becoming HRE award score, still. Making the HRE like the WC will, perhaps, be possible, but I dunno how far I can get in making it both more medieval and more... accurate...

    What may be the best balance between historicity and gameplay (and what's doable) is having the HRE remain as it is - just a means of gaining extra score - but being voted for being based upon having the highest piety, and being restricted to Catholics. Then equivalent votes for Caliph and the Ecumenical Patriarch could be done between Islamic civs/city-states and Orthdoxy civs/city-states.

    Oh yeah, and, Natan, Casimir isn't actually the leader in this scenario.
     
  8. janboruta

    janboruta Artistriarch

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    Flavour police here, 500 gpt fine. HRE elections were anything but about piety. Please don't link it to Piety. With linking HRE elections to Piety score, the entirety of the HRE city states could be deleted as they'd serve no purpose. In in favour of restricting it to Catholics though, if it's possible.

    If anything, Piety-based election could be to elect the Pope. But there is already a Papal State civ, so that'd be awkward, unless a new Pope's name would be randomly generated upon election. But I like the idea of Piety-based election of the Caliph and the Patriarch - makes much, much more sense than the Emperor.
     
  9. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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    ~2000-1800 BC for Judaism.
     
  11. JFD

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    Natan35 Mayor of St. Natansburg

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    I'd still suggest asking Tomatekh, as he said something about Jews not being monotheistic at the start...
    (Also I believe Judaism was founded a bit later. IIRC The ten commandments weren given at 1400 BC, and before Judaism didn't have any real... Rules.)
     
  13. Kerfuffle

    Kerfuffle King of the Whale Sharks

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    Just curious but how will the Mongol Invasion work? Especially when that empty eastern region is filled up. Do they spawn with a settler or just a massive horde of Keshiks and a Khan or two?
    Will they also be locked permanently into war, or will there be chances for diplomacy? (However slim those chances may be :lol:)
     
  14. Redaxe

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    Yeah it might require some more thinking to work out.

    I think the main thing is that food cargo ships need to be less game breaking than they are now and in the medieval world the long distance trade of food was for the most non-existent.
    I think requiring wheat for food routes is still an interesting change because until the advent of refrigeration there wasn't really the means to transport significant quantities of food so maybe it puts in place some limitations on food routes.
    That said there were probably other food items besides grain that were traded in the middle ages such as salted meat, dried seeds, wine and olive oil.
     
  15. Redaxe

    Redaxe Emperor

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    This is another issue in the scenario too which just doesn't eventuate. It is is called Into the Renaissance but it is supposed to focus heavily on crusading and religious wars between Christainity and Islam which for the AIs will only ever happen between the Byzantines and Turks.

    The AI is just incapable of sending a large army to the Holyland from Western Europe. I'd blame this somewhat on the AI needing open borders from multiple neighbouring civs to move anywhere, 1UPT which prevents efficient movement of AI units through complex terrain (i.e. mountains and cities which surround Italy and the Mediterranean) - after all it is a lot easier to move a 'stack of doom' over a 40 tile distance than a 'carpet', the amount of ocean tiles in the Mediterranean limiting AI units to coastal tiles and probably most frustrating the absolutely terrible AI which just cannot plan or carry out long distance conquest.
     
  16. Natan35

    Natan35 Mayor of St. Natansburg

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    I've just finished school, JFD. it was suppose to be a happy day. trhen came my avarage grade(it was good, but worse then last time) and now this?
    (also, how will the Protestant reformation start? did you change it, or its the same as in the original scenario?)
     
  17. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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    Same as was in the original, however that was.

    However that was, same as was in the original.

    Yeah, it's why I'm hesitant to go to great lengths on this scenario - because I simply can't do anything about the AI. Though perhaps the CP - which the scenario requires for P&P - will give the AI some more intelligence. Hopefully...
     
  18. Natan35

    Natan35 Mayor of St. Natansburg

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    The two most interesting events of the scenario, unchanged. At least make the mongols have Islam as they state religion, perhaps?
     
  19. Tarmont

    Tarmont Empress

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    Please don't.

    If anything, add an event that gives them a random religion after a few turns of tengriism or just let them choose on their own.
     
  20. Natan35

    Natan35 Mayor of St. Natansburg

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    HUH?!
    Would you have them converted to orthodoxy? Cause' that's the situation in the original scenario.
     

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