Women Conscripts

[kill fire]

Well, for whatever reason, its a mother's job to raise children.

That wasn't exactly the case in my family. When I was very young my dad was the one that mostly took care of me, as he was unemployed at the time and my mom wasn't. There are cases in which the father is the one that takes care of children.

 

[Racsoviale]

Here men too are the only ones being drafted. Luckily I got to dodge the draft because of medical problems. The draft as I see it actually hurts men more than women as it stands because some men are forced into the army instead of going straight to the university.
Although I suppose it is still sexist, it is one of the cases where women actually benefit from the inherit sexism of the rules, since they have more freedom in choosing their career than the unlucky men who get forced into a useless job for 3-4 months.

EDIT: I dont know the rules in other countries and are only talking about how it is here

 

[kill fire]

That's what Canada is for.

 

[say1988]

Maybe I'm just sexist here but I do think that men, in general, make better soldiers.

On average, in some positions (i.e. infantry), but in many other offices I doubt it makes any difference (who cares how much you can lift if your job primarily consists of, say, starting at a computer screen). So long as they meet the basic physical requirements. There are also many women stronger, faster, and more capable than the average man.
Many countries also provide for civil service positions, not necessarily military.

 

[PeteAtoms]

If we're gonna be sexist, we might as well be racist and conscript the illegal aliens more often.

 

[Cull]

If we're going to be racist, draft the provincial farmers more.

 

[GhostWriter16]

A father's life isn't worth protecting? A mother's life is more important than a father's? Or some other mother's son?

First of all, I only favor the draft if its needed for defense.

Second of all, I don't support on principle telling a woman to go fight. I think they should not have to deal with that, as I think we should protect them, unless of course, they WANT to go in which case they should be allowed or if its absolutely necessary they do.

One parent needs to stay home, and I think that's the mother's job in general.

And of course, who's going to complain about it? If they want to fight they still can.

 

[kill fire]

On average, in some positions (i.e. infantry), but in many other offices I doubt it makes any difference (who cares how much you can lift if your job primarily consists of, say, starting at a computer screen). So long as they meet the basic physical requirements. There are also many women stronger, faster, and more capable than the average man.
Many countries also provide for civil service positions, not necessarily military.

Well, in modern combat, when is phyisical strength even needed?

EDIT: Also Domination, it might in GENERAL be the job of the mother (although I don't know what the actual stats are), but what about the cases when it's not?

 

[Cull]

So females need protecting over males?

Add sexist to your titles.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

A father's life isn't worth protecting? A mother's life is more important than a father's? Or some other mother's son?

It's not worth in a moral sense, it's pragmatism.
If we were constantly reproducing the number of women would be the bottleneck. The justification for purely male conscription in germany is that women give birth to children due to their pregnancy already "serve" the community, problem is of course that some women never get children.
I would support conscription for women who aren't mothers yet by the age of 18, except I believe conscription is totally useless and a waste of time for everybody involved.
The only countries where conscription makes sense are relatively small and surrounded by enemies (like Israel which has female conscription)

 

[deanej]

As someone who REALLY doesn't want to be drafted, I'm against the draft, but if there were one, I feel that women must be drafted as well as men. I'm already jealous that women don't have to register for the selective service. Why should only men have to go into forced slavery in the military, with a possibly huge risk of injury/death?

 

[stuge]

Well, in modern combat, when is phyisical strength even needed?

When crawling into position with a 10+kg anti-tank weapon.

When hauling a 20+kg mortar tube cross country.

When loading a shell into a 155mm cannon.

I.e. in infantry, and in lots of other roles too.

 

[kill fire]

True, although as infantry becomes less and less necessary, that will change.

 

[PeteAtoms]

It's not worth in a moral sense, it's pragmatism.
If we were constantly reproducing the number of women would be the bottleneck. The justification for purely male conscription in germany is that women give birth to children due to their pregnancy already "serve" the community, problem is of course that some women never get children.
I would support conscription for women who aren't mothers yet by the age of 18, except I believe conscription is totally useless and a waste of time for everybody involved.
The only countries where conscription makes sense are relatively small and surrounded by enemies (like Israel which has female conscription)

Well that's laughable when you think about how often people whine about the world being overcrowded, or that the population of the Earth is at or past the tipping point, blah blah blah. Maybe less mothers would be a good thing. Maybe we solve two problems with one stone by conscription of women!

 

[NovaKart]

If a country has the ability to pay for a professional army I don't understand why they don't. That's what I don't understand about the European countries which still force men to do military service. If they feel that their citizens owe a debt to the state then why do only males have to do it? If their militaries allow women to volunteer then obviously they are able to perform the job. They can also do an alternative service. If that would create too many people for not enough jobs then they should scrap compulsory service for men as well. It seems like a way to force men into cheap labor.

 

[stuge]

True, although as infantry becomes less and less necessary, that will change.

Well, in my opinion infantry isn't going anywhere in a hurry, but discussing that would go really far from the tracks of this thread.

 

[PeteAtoms]

When crawling into position with a 10+kg anti-tank weapon.

When hauling a 20+kg mortar tube cross country.

When loading a shell into a 155mm cannon.

I.e. in infantry, and in lots of other roles too.

Which is why we shouldn't draft/conscript weak men into military service either, right?

 

[kill fire]

Well, in my opinion infantry isn't going anywhere in a hurry, but discussing that would go really far from the tracks of this thread.

I have a lot to say about that topic, but I agree it would go off-track.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

I dont like conscription but what they should do, is a physical test, and the physical test will determine what sort of military you go in. So a woman bodybuilder might fight alongside the men and a wimpy male can do cooking or something.

 

[NovaKart]

I don't agree with the women serve by giving birth argument. Women are not required to have children by the state and it also traps people in gender roles. Women can choose to follow the traditional life or not but men are still stuck with the old obligations. Men are also obliged to provide for their family and raise children so they also serve in this way. Obviously they don't get pregnant but it's the same principle.

The best option is to have a professional army if the government is support that.