Women Conscripts

[Squonk]

I made a mistake in the poll. I should also ask if the draft during the war should be for women or for men. Lets say that draft during the war is for both sexes, OK?

 

[say1988]

Well, in modern combat, when is phyisical strength even needed?

An infantryman does, someone loading artillery pieces needs a certain amount, men in an enginerring unit doing manual labour will. There are some jobs that would better fit men, on average, but as I said, man that wouldn't (controlling a UAV, inumerable office and staff positions, all the traditional "women's work", pilot, radar operator, etc, etc).

That's what I don't understand about the European countries which still force men to do military service.

The main idea I see is that it provides the population with training in case of a future war. Or, even more laughably, to provide them with skills for civilian life (like a person is really coming away with anything if they don't want to).

 

[GhostWriter16]

So females need protecting over males?

Add sexist to your titles.

Its more complex than that.

Women get pregnant, young children suffer more without a mother than a father, men in general have more physical strength (Though women have more strengths in general in other areas) someone has to watch the home which is TRADITIONALLY the women's job exc.

EDIT: Also Domination, it might in GENERAL be the job of the mother (although I don't know what the actual stats are), but what about the cases when it's not?

Well, as I said it still depends on the situation. For instance, I'd be OK with it if we really needed to do it. I suppose single women could be drafted as well which would be OK with me.

 

[Moonbat]

Conscription and the draft are a form of slavery. No thank you. A patriot should never support such tyranny over the individual.

 

[kill fire]

Again, Canada for the win.

 

[PeteAtoms]

For the arguments regarding physical strength/ability.

IT IS NOT - Man vs Woman
IT IS - Strong vs Weak

Correlation between strength and testicles should not keep strong woman from fighting, nor force weak men into situations they aren't able to handle.

The issue that women tend to be weaker than men is a false issue. It does not matter when you realize that there are tons of men that are equally unqualified as women. And tons of women who can handle it or are capable of training and becoming qualified.

 

[stuge]

Which is why we shouldn't draft/conscript weak men into military service either, right?

Well, by the virtue of diffrent hormones, men generally have more mass and muscle than women. Although if a male conscript is undernourished or sickly weak, for whatever reason, they will be exempted from service or given lighter duties. Usually female volunteers serve in physically less demanding roles.

Note that I haven't at any point argued that women shouldn't serve because of some percieved weakness. If a woman is able to haul that mortar tube around, she can. I know one who did just that. See my first post in this thread, if you want to see why I oppose conscription of both genders.

 

[Elrohir]

In my long fight for women liberation, I came upon yet another example of sexism and ignorance: the army. The idea that women should be drafted the same as men is obvious to me. But should we aspire for 1;1 ratio in the army? Or should army be coeducational?

Discuss

Yes, women should have to register for the draft, just like men. But because of basic physiological differences, women will never make up as large of a proportion of the military as men. (As long as there are reasonable standards, anyway -- and the current standards are already way too weak for women; they should be the same for everyone. I think it's reasonable to have lower physical requirements for non-combat roles, but basing them on sex is silly, and sexist.)

 

[kill fire]

Why don't we just get rid of the draft entirely and solve all of these problems?

 

[Moonbat]

I dont like conscription but what they should do, is a physical test, and the physical test will determine what sort of military you go in. So a woman bodybuilder might fight alongside the men and a wimpy male can do cooking or something.

That's funny. We had the wimpy gay men in the cooking platoon. It's cool tho, the meals always came on time, I even sometimes got a bit of extra and a nice smile from the bloke.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I made a mistake in the poll. I should also ask if the draft during the war should be for women or for men. Lets say that draft during the war is for both sexes, OK?

Again, what kind of war?

A war like Iraq has no need of a draft at all. Therefore, nobody should be drafted.

Now, if China invaded us for some reason the issue would be different and I'd support drafting as many people as needed, in general however I do not think women should be drafted if they are needed at home to raise kids. If they aren't I'm fine with it.

 

[kill fire]

Again theres a problem with your arguement Domination. What if a women isn't needed at home to raise children but a man is? Would you support taking that man away from his family?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Again theres a problem with your arguement Domination. What if a women isn't needed at home to raise children but a man is? Would you support taking that man away from his family?

No, I would support drafting the woman. However, this isn't usually the case.

EDIT: And I'd rather draft ANY capable single person than a person who is needed to raise kids, man or woman.

 

[say1988]

in general however I do not think women should be drafted if they are needed at home to raise kids.

Should men be granted the same exemption?

And I'd rather draft ANY capable single person than a person who is needed to raise kids, man or woman.

Except any single married person is less likely to be needed to raise a child because the partner would be there. As opposed to any single parent.

 

[PeteAtoms]

Well, by the virtue of diffrent hormones, men generally have more mass and muscle than women. Although if a male conscript is undernourished or sickly weak, for whatever reason, they will be exempted from service or given lighter duties. Usually female volunteers serve in physically less demanding roles.

Note that I haven't at any point argued that women shouldn't serve because of some percieved weakness. If a woman is able to haul that mortar tube around, she can. I know one who did just that. See my first post in this thread, if you want to see why I oppose conscription of both genders.

Besides it would be hugely impractical. Most women, if faced with compulsory service, would probably opt for civil service rather than for armed service. Civil service is basically low-end public jobs, and I think that the system would badly choke trying to provide meaningful tasks to tens of thousands of new applicants each year.

To put it shortly, instituting truly universal conscription would be a costly and impractical way to fix a rather meaningless equality issue. If equality is most important, scrapping the whole conscription system would be better, but that's a whole another can of worms.

So your problem with women being conscripted, can be easily solved by conscripting less people overall? I'm not against turning away candidates for conscription for being weak or incapable of being trained, but do it in a gender-neutral manner. And if, by an unbiased selection of the most qualified individuals, more men end up in combat roles, so be it. Just don't play favorites. And don't forcefully impose more women in the army for the sake of women in the army.

 

[kill fire]

No, I would support drafting the woman. However, this isn't usually the case.

EDIT: And I'd rather draft ANY capable single person than a person who is needed to raise kids, man or woman.

Okay, so now we need to test every single person who is going to be drafted to see if they are needed at home. And I would think that there are probably cases in which both parents are needed, so you would think they would both be exempted from the draft correct?

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

That's funny.

why is it funny?

 

[duckstab]

I am against compulsory selective service. I am open to some form of compulsory universal service as long as it's applied retroactively and with very rare exceptions. Even a 78-year-old US Senator should be required to spend a year actually serving his country somehow

 

[Moonbat]

why is it funny?

It's funny cos it's true.

It made me think of my time in the army as a conscript. Funny times.

 

[Emperor_Jackal]

I voted "I am against compulsory draft regardless of sex, except for the time of war" but now I'm having second thoughts. Why not just conscribe the homeless and those from economically deprived areas?